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From Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/KF: ==User:KF== [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/KF&action=edit Vote here] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&target=KF&limit=500&offset=0 contribs]) (17/0/0) ending 1:30, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC) KF has been here for two years and has made approximately 7,000 edits, to literary and geographic topics and many others. KF is also a prolific copy editor and is active reverting vandalism. I offer this nomination with KF's permission. User:UninvitedCompany Co., User_talk:UninvitedCompany 01:09, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC) :''Candidate assumed to accept nomination by virtue of answering generic question'' ::No need for any long discussions on my account. I thought I had accepted my nomination User_talk:KF#Adminship. Well, I obviously haven't, so once again: I hereby accept my nomination. User:KF 04:59, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC) Support # User:UninvitedCompany Co., User_talk:UninvitedCompany 01:09, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC) # -- User:GruntUser talk:Grunt European Union 03:43, 2004 Nov 16 (UTC) # "User:AntonioMartin" 22:33, 15 Nov 2004 (MST).....seven thousand edits, vandalism aware, seems like an excellent administrator to be to me. # User:Rhymeless_|_User_talk:Rhymeless">User:Rhymeless|User:Rhymeless | User talk:Rhymeless 07:01, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC) I see this guy everywhere. To me, that seems like a good sign. #Andre">User:Andrevan (User_talk:Andrevan)A 16:07, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC) #User:MirvUser talk:Mirv Special:Emailuser/Mirv 18:07, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC) #User:Acegikmo1 18:13, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC) #Of course. --User:Lst27 User talk:Lst27 00:02, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC) #Another great nomination by uc. uc's really on top of things! User:172 06:03, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC) #Anyone who loves to fight vandalism can't be all that bad (Smile). Let's kick some vandal b--t!User:Marine 69-71 #All your vandalism are rolled back by us. --User:Slowking Man 07:39, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC) #User:Blankfaze 08:49, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC) # - User:Amgine 06:10, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC) # Yes. User:FuncUser_talk:Func 19:25, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC) # User:Wolfman 01:41, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC) # All right, no objections. User:Everyking 06:27, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC) # /User:Tuomas 15:12, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC) #User:Duk 16:52, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC) Oppose # Neutral # Comments * Questions for the candidate
''A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:''
:1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about Wikipedia:administrators and the Wikipedia:administrators' reading list.) ::A. I would continue reverting pages in cases of vandalism and I would want to deal with requests for undeletion, having myself experienced on a number of occasions how easily articles (or at least stubs) which are worth keeping are mistakenly speedy-deleted. :2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why? ::A. I used to be pleased with my introduction to crime fiction before it was cut up and distributed all over Wikipedia. (Fortunately, whoever is interested in my original article can still access the old version. Generally, being able to do that is really one of the good features of Wikipedia.) I think the biography of Margarete Schütte-Lihotzky is quite good, and I'm watching over List of literary works with eponymous heroines because I believe nowhere else can one find such a list. :3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and will deal with it in the future? ::A. I had an argument with User:Maveric149 ages ago about NPOV in Losers in literature (which has been renamed since). More recently, there was some dispute about the Gallagher disambiguation page, but both "conflicts" are hardly worth mentioning. Generally, I think it's a ridiculous idea having a nervous breakdown while you're all alone in your room in front of your PC. I'm not quite that peaceful in real life. User:KF 11:48, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC) ==''The Dark Frontier''== This category lists the titles of books and novels originally released in the year 1936.
See also 1936 in literature 1930s books: 1930-1931-1932-1933-1934-1935-1936-1937-1938-1939 Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Frontier" Categories: 1936 | 1930s books | Books | Literature ==Ixania== Ixania, a small fictional country somewhere in a mountainous region of the Balkans, is the setting of Eric Ambler's spy thriller ''The Dark Frontier'' (1936 in literature). ===See also=== *Index of fictional places *Fictional country
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(from VfD) Fictional country from a book that doesn't even have an article. What little content there is could be moved to one of the two lists mentioned in the article. User:DCEdwards1966 16:34, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC) :Wikipedia is work in progress. What is the difference between the article on Ixania—a short article instead of a redirect for those looking for the placename—and those on Qwghlm, the Dominion of Melchizedek, or Pottsylvania? If you think we don't need an article on Ambler's ''The Dark Frontier'' please say so and I will reconsider publishing it or adding anything to this text here. User:KF 17:08, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC) ::If you write an article about the book, you can put information about Ixania there. It doesn't need its own article. User:DCEdwards1966 19:28, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC) :::What exactly would be the problem if Ixania did have its own article? I'm thinking of someone who remembers the name but can't place it. They might type "Ixania" into Wikipedia's search function, and they would get a result (which would also be pointing to a discussion of the novel). Don't tell me a redirect to ''The Dark Frontier'' will do because I would only repeat my initial question. User:KF 19:57, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC) ::::But it has no extra information beyond what is included in the Dark Frontier article. That's what redirects are for. Someone who types in "Ixania" because they can't place it is delivered the whole context in a flash. Neat huh? User:Dr Zen 02:25, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC) *Keep—User:Ashdurbat 21:07, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC) *Keep. It's a stub, but it's doing no harm. --User:Dante Alighieri | User talk:Dante Alighieri 21:47, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC) *Keep agreeing with Dante. I like the idea of 'explain something and point to its wider context' although it doesn't seem to be what most people want around here. User:Kappa 00:08, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC) *Merge and redirect, to ''The Dark Frontier'' if that gets written or to one of the two current lists if it doesn't. -- User:Antaeus Feldspar 01:11, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC) ::I'm sorry if I failed to make myself understood. Normally I finish an article and then post it. Just once I did it the other way round. As with all the other fictional places (have a look at their respective articles), there is a lot more to say than what the article contains at the moment. If, as User:Antaeus Feldspar suggests, this stub is "merged and redirected", the article on Ixania will not get written. Nipping something in the bud usually does not encourage (prospective) authors from joining in or carrying on. User:KF 01:42, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC) :::What is there to say about it though? A good method is to begin a section in the Dark Frontier article titled "Ixania". No one is going to write about Ixania who doesn't know the novel, hey? If the section grows large, ''then'' break it out.User:Dr Zen 02:25, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC) *Merge and redirect. User:Fvw --User:fvw*">User talk:Fvw 03:22, 2004 Dec 22 (UTC) *M/R. User:Alphax User_talk:Alphax 04:02, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC) :::Okay, I give up, whether some of you are trolls or not. I'm actually embarrassed to see someone with such a noble handle ("Dr Zen") write such a pointless comment which shows me he/she has not bothered to understand mine. If discouraging people is your policy, go ahead. User:KF 08:15, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC) ::::What was to understand? The country means nothing outside the novel, so put it in the article on the novel. That's the answer to your question. If the section grows unwieldy, break it out. And hey, people are not "trolls" just because they disagree with arrogance.User:Dr Zen 23:42, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC) :::KF, the point here is that the information fits in better with the main article. Even thought Wikipedia is not paper, we don't need to have separarte articles on related subjects. Oh ya, merge with The Dark Fronter and redirect. User:Humblefool 23:36, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC) :This is an unworthy spectacle, and I don't want to have a part in it. The "troll" bit was suggested on, and is therefore an allusion to, one of your user pages ("I'm not a troll"—now who starts a user page that way?). Whoever advocates "merge and redirect" has been prevented from realising that there is nothing to merge. Actually, there is more about Ixania in the article on the novel than in the article on Ixania. I could say a lot more here, for example generally about entries on fictional places, but why should I try and write about things no one is interested in. User:KF 19:11, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC) **One problem with leaving a stub the way it was is that people ''won't'' realise there is more information available. They may even waste their time expanding the stub. User:Kappa 04:59, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC) == :Image:Frederick Jackson Turner.jpg == I can't see on the Frederick Jackson Turner page. This has happened before (about a year ago or so), and back then I uploaded the image for a second time. Now the same thing has happened again. Please don't tell me it's displayed fine on your screen. This doesn't help a lot. I'd like to find out what is wrong here. User:KF 17:47, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC) :It's getting more weird by the minute. I chose as the header, and not even that is displayed. User:KF 17:52, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC) : All right, it should probably have a colon in front and read :Image:Frederick Jackson Turner.jpg, which then works (but there's still no image): :Image:Frederick Jackson Turner.jpg User:KF 18:03, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC) :I added colons in front of the first two image links because that guy was just creepy. -- User:Cyrius|User talk:Cyrius 19:26, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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Angry Ryan and the Nosebreakers are said to be the first band to non-widely popularize and play the genre of music entitled anger-core. Anger-core is the heart of everything that you want to be at. Angry Ryan and the Nosebreakers are not under the influence of drugs or alcohol at all times, but it is said that Angry Ryan himself is a fan of mass-consumption of both. Angry Ryan and the Nosebreakers do not sound like your cousins band. Your cousins band sucks, as do you. The answer to all of your questions about Angry Ryan and the Nosebreakers and Anger-core lies in the following statment: Start a fire. ==IV== Hi Eric, how do you create those talk pages for anonymous users (in my case I'd want one for 172.185.179.167)? Either I just can't remember or I have never done it before or there has been a change -- whatever. Hope you are having a nice summer. --User:KF 17:37, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC) : User talk:172.185.179.167 should work. The only way to create them other than by doing so manually is to use the "Talk" link in ''Recent changes''. The reason for this is that these IPs are very ephemeral and may quickly be assigned to a different user, so we don't want these links spread all over the place.User:Eloquence 17:43, Aug 17, 2003 (UTC) ::Thanks for answering that (as I can see now) rather stupid question. All the best, Kurt
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Hm. I'd love to log in as User:KF but I can't. Looking at Recent Changes, no one else seems to have that problem. Could someone tell me what is wrong? :Hm, I'd love to help you, but you've given absolutely no information that could be used to do so. What, exactly, is the procedure you're following and what, exactly, is the wiki doing in response? Are there error messages? Are cookies enabled in your browser? Are you in fact KF? ;) --User:Brion VIBBER 22:11 5 Jul 2003 (UTC) : If all else fails, try Mozilla temporarily. It does miracles. --User:Menchi 22:26 5 Jul 2003 (UTC) ::Okay, sorry for the lack of information. I'm using Internet Explorer (and have been doing so all the time, and haven't changed any of the settings disabling cookies or whatever). When I click on Wikipedia (any page) I'm told that I'm not logged in. The spaces for my username and my password are empty. I type in both and get the message "Log in successful". Whatever page I choose next I'm again "not logged in". And there is no way I can prove who I am. :::From that description, it's almost certainly a (no-)cookie problem. Sad to say, we don't actually do a double-check that the cookies were received and saved by your computer: so if the login goes okay, it says "success!" and tells your browser to save id cookies, but the next page you go to, there's no cookie returned to identify you, so you're not logged in. If all is well, you should have a PHPSESSID cookie, a wcUserID cookie, and a wcUserName cookie from www.wikipedia.org. If you don't have these, make sure you haven't accidentally set it to not accept cookies or something. (Check also if you're behind some kind of proxy that's meant to strip out advertisements; sometimes these may go for cookies too.) --User:Brion VIBBER 22:52 5 Jul 2003 (UTC) ::::Thanks an awful lot. I'm impressed. Someone else seems to have changed my cookie settings. Something still seems to be wrong here, but at least I can log in again. Thanks again, and enjoy your Saturday night! User:KF 23:09 5 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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From Wikipedia:Pages needing attention: * Crime fiction -- it is very academic and dry. I did not find to be very organized either. -- User:Two halves April 13, 2003 **A fair bit of refactoring done. Content split into three articles, and some added to other existing articles. I guess fit to be removed from here User:Chancemill 09:10, Dec 22, 2003 (UTC)
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==V== It just occurred to me that I might add this little gem of a conversation before it is finally, once and for all, deleted. This is what happened: (1) Some school kid surfed the net for information on Gregor Mendel and wrote some rubbish in a newly created page called Heinzendorf, allegedly Mendel's birthplace. (2) On the Mendel page, which contains quite a number of inaccuracies, it said that Heinzendorf was a village in Austria. Accordingly, in the process of Wikipedia:Weeding Wild Wikipedia, another user deleted the newbie experiment and replaced it with a stub whose text read: "Heinzendorf, Austria is mainly known as the birthplace ...". (3) What followed then was communication via the talk page: There is no Heinzendorf in Austria. See http://www.aeiou.at/aeiou.encyclop.m/m529936.htm;internal&action=_setlanguage.action?LANGUAGE=en . --User:KF 19:48 May 13, 2003 (UTC) : D'oh! -- User:JohnOwens ::I was just going on the information from the Mendel page. However, was Austria a part of the Czech Republic at one time (as one page said after a google search)? -- User:Notheruser 19:59 May 13, 2003 (UTC) :::The other way round of course. Ever come across the Habsburg empire? See also History of the Czech Republic. User:KF 20:27 May 13, 2003 (UTC) ::::Interesting history (sadly, I had never heard of the Habsburg empire). Thanks for the clarification. -- User:Notheruser 20:46 May 13, 2003 (UTC) (4) Meanwhile, someone had moved the Heinzendorf page to Heinzendorf, Austria. (5) Then they obviously read my comments and found out that Mendel's birthplace can be found today in the Czech Republic. So they renamed the page again. For half an hour or so, the page had the ominous title Heinzendorf, Czech Republic. (6) Now how would you like it if someone created a page entitled Neuyork, Neuyork? Or Londres? So I moved the page to the current Czech language name of the village, relying on an Austrian online encyclopaedia (see link above). (7) I don't know anything about Mendel. I've never been to his birthplace. And I don't speak a word of Czech. Still the name Hyncie, Czech Republic looked weird to me. Only then, after extensively googling Mendel, did I find out that the actual name is Hyncice, Czech Republic. That, hopefully, would be the final move. ''Viribus unitis'', we'd created a great article for Wikipedia. Now that's what I call professionalism. --User:KF 05:19 May 14, 2003 (UTC) PS As it turns out now, almost half a year later, someone messed up the whole system of redirects by moving the page again -- this time from Hyncice, Czech Republic to Hyncice. I wonder why. --User:KF 08:15, 19 Oct 2003 (UTC)
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==VI== If the current deletion craze persists, the Talk:Interim page will soon be annihilated. This then is my copy: ''Okay, but I also object right here. This is absolutely ridiculous. Why would anyone want to delete this page???'' --User:KF 00:02, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC) :Moving my comment here doesn't make a lot of sense (see above -- who'd start an argument with "Okay"?), so let me say the whole thing again: :Interim is a good page, whether you consider it a stub or the (almost) finished product or anything in between. I've discussed this question before (see Talk:Point of no return), and I'm a bit tired of it. With the help of Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary you can argue both for and against inclusion in Wikipedia. :I mean, why pick on this page? And would you want to wipe out, say, crystallomancy and stallion, too? What would be left? Where do you draw (your highly subjective) line? :User:KF 12:19, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC) I moved it here as I felt comments should occur on the talk page, not on the article. I thought this was standard practice. It would be better discussing this at VfD rather than here. It doesn't make sense. Who are you addressing when you keep saying ''you''? I didn't list it for deletion and I don't want it deleted; I want it moved to Wiktionary. What's wrong with that? User:Angela :Hi Angela. Thank you for your answer. :(1) As I have already pointed out several times, I feel uncomfortable with the way pages are being deleted at present. This concerns the choice of pages, the speed of deletion and the procedure in general. I wonder how many potential contributors we (''we'' Wikipedians, not ''you'') have already scared away that way. It used to be different, I remember that very well. :(2) When I say ''you'' I mean those of us Wikipedians who, for whatever reason, have made it their main (vocation-like) task to clean up after the others. As you have reacted to my message, you seem to be one of them. It makes me sad to think about it, but I remember two contributors -- User:Isis and User:Zoe -- who did more or less the same, got into a number of fights and eventually left. Whenever I come across a page I think doesn't fit in, I also do something about it, but I do not go about it systematically. I just don't think Wikipedia is that bad that such a thing is necessary. :(3) What's wrong with keeping the Interim page here? It contains valuable cross references, which is always an asset for an encyclopaedia. And again, why this page? Why not any (or rather all) of the following (a random list): *Almdudler *barge *beard *blossom *Bow down before the porcelain god *cigar *civil society *deposition (meteorology) *Künstlerroman *machete *plaintiff *Sandman (mythology) *shoe *shrimp *stallion :I hardly ever ask rhetorical questions, and this isn't one either. :All the best, --User:KF 19:14, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC) Firstly, I do not make it my "main (vocation-like) task to clean up after the others". I was simply responding to your question which I noticed on the VfD page. Secondly, the "valuable cross references" will still exist. They will just link to Wiktionary rather than to Wikipedia. Why this page? Ask jimfbleak - he nominated it for deletion. Probably because he came across it, and has yet to come across the others. You may also be interested in the current debate on the village pump entitled Wikipedia:Village_pump#Stop_the_Stubs. User:Angela Dear Angela, (1) I have taken my time rereading the Wikipedia talk:Find or fix a stub#Stop the stubs debate, and now I wonder why you suggested I should have a look at it. There, seven regular contributors (User:Fantasy, User:Camembert, User:Wik, User:Wapcaplet, User:DavidWBrooks, User:Tillwe, and to some extent also User:Pcb21) argue in favour of having stubs and express -- in more words than I have ever done -- exactly my own ideas about the subject. It is only User:²¹², the apparent instigator of the debate, who argues against them. So what am I supposed to learn from that? (Again, not a rhetorical question.) By the way, today I created an article about lozenge only because I was quicker than the deleters. Never ever would it have occurred to me to write about that subject if I hadn't come across an obvious newbie experiment. (2) As I regularly try to point out, the overall procedure and also the underlying policy of expanding Wikipedia are inconsistent. Consider this: You have a long, wikified article with a lot of (or at least some) links which do not (yet) work. That's the standard. Then someone comes along and creates a new article by clicking on one of those links and writing a stub. If the wikified article contains links like fatigues (see the camouflage article) or Geoff Mute (because he was an extra in some 1973 B-movie), we are encouraging users to write dictionary-type articles as well as short biographies on irrelevant (or fictional) people. Speaking as an ''advocatus diaboli'' now, if you really wanted to prevent people creating stubs, you would have to remove all those dead links in the first place rather than clean up radically after someone has made a mess. But again, I would say that that would be highly counter-productive. I'd leave everything exactly as it is and slow down the deletion process a bit. (3) My question why Interim is going to be deleted rather than, say, plaintiff remains unanswered. I won't ask User:Jimfbleak because I'm discussing this with you, not him. (4) In my last reply to you I was going to say something about the quick deleters' motives. I was going to say it is to do with some kind of power struggle and their subconscious need to sit in judgement over others. I'm glad I didn't say that because I found out only minutes ago reading your user page that you are a psychologist. Actually I've always been interested in how some people can be so sure that they are right. I discussed this some time ago with User:Isis (at Talk:Remake): Back then the situation was similar although the discussion revolved around NPOV rather than VfD. Generally speaking, we shouldn't take Wikipedia too seriously. It's great fun, but there is something called real life, too -- didn't you mention that yourself at one point? (5) I'm not going to keep on arguing. It's not worth the effort. However, I wish I knew why you inserted a blank line between machete and plaintiff in my last message. Well then, bye for now, --User:KF 00:25, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) ---- Dear KF, I didn't say you needed to learn anything from it. I just thought you might be interested or want to add to it. Some people don't read things like the village pump so I point it out to them when I think it is relevant. I would like to clarify that I am not against stubs. Have a look at the other Wikipedias I have been to today - they are mostly stubs (ar, cy, ia, simple, ru). My comment on interim was relating to the fact I thought it better placed at Wiktionary than Wikipedia. I have never said it should be deleted for any reason, and certainly not because it is a stub. This page is not the place to argue against policy. I do not want to stop people creating stubs. It is only blank pages I object to – not stubs. ''Why'' are you discussing this with me, not him? I argued ''against'' the deletion of interim. I said it should go to Wiktionary. I have not looked at plaintiff so I can not comment on it merits. Why are you accusing me of being a quick deleter? I am not a psychologist, I just studied it. Neither am I a Software Engineer (although if you read my user page after 10pm UTC today then you would have no reason to think that anyway). I am never sure that I am right. I change my mind frequently. I did mention real life once – on a deletion policy page if I am not mistaken. I am not quite sure why you think this an argument. I don't disagree with anything you have said. I did not insert a blank line between machete and plaintiff in your last message, at least not intentionally. Can't quite see how that happened. Good job I moved your comment off the article page or it would be a very strange article by now. ''Angela'' :Well, if you are in England right now it must be 3 o'clock in the morning. So good night to you, and thanks for the reply. --User:KF My guideline is that it is a good article if a valid external link can be added to it. So if you can find an external link that is not a dictionary and is about interim it would end the argument I think. User:BL 01:33, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) :It's not an argumment. No-one thinks it should be deleted. It should go to Wiktionary. -- User:Angela
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Deletion craze No.2: Pejorative terms for Germans Interesting addition. Do ''boche'' and ''moffe'' have any literal meanings? Can anyone add that? --User:KF 21:43 30 May 2003 (UTC) :I think they both mean something like a "dirty pig"... This is not encyclopedia content, unless ''perhaps'' as part of a larger directory of racial/national insults ... which would itself be rather questionable. --User:Fubar Obfusco 19:58 1 Jun 2003 (UTC) :Okay, ladies and gentlemen, you will have to make up your mind: As long as this newly created article was part of Kraut, no one seemed to mind -- for weeks, if not months. And there was a lot of context there. Now it's a separate article, and suddenly it's no longer encyclopaedic? --User:KF 20:18 1 Jun 2003 (UTC) ::Whatever. I never saw kraut. I ''did'' see this one in the Recent Changes. I can only comment on things I ''notice'', after all, and making a new page draws attention. --User:Fubar Obfusco 20:40 1 Jun 2003 (UTC) :::Right. If I had to decide, I'd restore the Kraut page to its original length and would encourage further discussion concerning this page: whether it should be enlarged, deleted, or whatever. I'm going to do that tomorrow (soon anyway) if there are no objections. Would that be okay with you, FOo? --User:KF 20:45 1 Jun 2003 (UTC) :The content of this article has nothing to do with "Kraut" (herbs) so why move it back there? It should better be left here. ::Once again, because there is something called context. Read the original version of the Kraut article first -- it was just some sort of addendum. I really don't see the problem. User:KF 06:47 2 Jun 2003 (UTC) :::Nor do I. Let's leave things as they are. ::I think it at least needs balancing by similar pages for other nationalities. -- User:Sannse 18:26 7 Jun 2003 (UTC) What about "Nemetz", which give or take some spelling issues is as I recall the standard form for "German" in various Slavic langages, and means roughly "dummy" (as in, one who cannot speak properly)? PML. :Nemetz is not a pejorative term itself though it has developed from one. Boche, Kraut and the others remained pejorative. This is pure dross and does not belong here. Someone please ad it to VfD -- User:Tarquin 09:56, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC) I just don't believe it. We already had that discussion months ago, and keeping the articles about the Germans as they are was the agreement back then, without any objection. Are we going to use up our time and energy again and again and again to discuss the same things whenever a new user discovers a page for the first time? It's easy, isn't it, claiming that an article is "non-encyclopaedic" (what the hell does that mean anyway) and/or "POV", but I want to see you guys give reasons for your claims. If someone wanted to, they could find fault with every single page here on Wikipedia. Please don't forget the use-mention distinction, or think of the Latin ''relata refero'' if you prefer. No one here is insulting foreigners, but what kind of free and open society is it if it is not allowed/POV/whatever to talk about insulting terms? Please let's not be hyper- and hypocritical! Leave Pejorative terms for Germans as it is! --User:KF 12:11, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) :If something turns up that one wouldn't regard to be in an encyclopedia, then it can be deemed "non-encyclopedic". This is, of course, a slightly subjective statement to make, as is the point-of-view issue, but in general it is obvious (I am making no comment of the article in question though in saying so). User:Dysprosia 12:16, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) ::Well, but that's exactly what anyone who wants to see a particular article deleted should do.Talking in general, vague and elusive terms doesn't help. Also, how many online encyclopaedias are there to draw comparisons with? True, I won't find an article on Pejorative terms for Germans in the 1911 Britannica. But have all of you forgotten how hopeful Wikipedia got started, with the explicit policy of being more than, and different from, a printed encyclopaedia? As I see it, nothing about what you ave written is "obvious". --User:KF 12:26, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) :::Not necessarily. If some article is rabbiting on about how wonderful some relatively unknown website is, it is obviously not NPOV since it is going on about the positives and saying nothing about the negatives. It's obviously non-encyclopedic as an encyclopedia (even though Wikip. is different from normal encyclopedias) would not devote an article to an unknown website. :::I mean obvious in the sense that it is sometimes clear to see that an article is not NPOV or is unencyclopedic. Sometimes it is not however. And that is what discussions are for. And I furthermore reiterate that I make no comment on the article in question, I'm merely trying to help you understand what these things mean. User:Dysprosia ::::Help me? Are you joking? You keep on writing about things wholly unrelated to Pejorative terms for Germans and want to help me understand them? User:KF ::::: You said "what the hell does that mean anyway". I thought you didn't know what it meant. So I told you. Calm down :) User:Dysprosia 12:47, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) ::::I was referring to my previous remark at Talk:Interim that none of us should be too sure they know 100 per cent what is right, correct, moral, true (and NPOV and encyclopaedic, if you want) and what isn't. That reminds me, I have to write an answer there. Bye for now, --User:KF 12:58, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)
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* Pejorative terms for the French, because it is not encyclopedic and because it was openly created as a antiWikiLove act. Both being redhibitoire for me. We are not here to help people on purpose to go against one another. User:Anthere 06:44, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) ** Agreed. Delete this one. -- User:Kaijan 07:10, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) ** No. Elaborate on it. --User:KF 12:16, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) **I don't see why this page should be deleted, but not Pejorative terms for Germans. User:M123 20:38, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) * Pejorative terms for Germans also delete this, see above. User:M123 06:56, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) **I would not be sad to see Pejorative terms for the French and Pejorative terms for Germans go, but if being unencyclopedic and anti-WikiLove are criteria for deletion, Slogan 'AIDS Kills Fags Dead' and all its redirects should also go. -- User:Someone else 07:04, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) *** Neither of these belong here. It's against the NPOV. -- User:Kaijan 07:10, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) ** I don't want to sound evil or anything, but I don't really see anything wrong with having articles about pejorative terms, as long as they don't endorse them. They could easily be written in a NPOV way, and could be quite educational. (As is Slogan 'AIDS Kills Fags Dead', in my view...) -- User:Oliver Pereira 07:19, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) ** It might be worth noting that we have List of ethnic slurs. Articles are generally better than lists, though, because articles can give fuller explanations of what terms mean, who uses them, how they are used, and so on. Lists tend to just have short phrases as explanations. -- User:Oliver Pereira 07:30, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) ***I'd argue that lists are better than separate articles for each separate slur (''vide'': Slogan 'AIDS Kills Fags Dead'), as separate articles are: (1) unlikely to become encyclopedic and (2) unduly emphasize the importance of each epithet. -- User:Someone else 07:34, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) ** Well, the above-mentioned articles group the terms by country, rather than having separate articles for separate terms. (However, if one term ended up hogging a large proportion of the space in the article, it would make sense to move it out into its own article.) -- User:Oliver Pereira 08:15, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) ***Which is an argument FOR "Perjorative terms for homosexuals" and AGAINST Slogan 'AIDS Kills Fags Dead'. . Not that it or its many redirects will ever actually be deleted, of course. -- User:Someone else 08:19, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) **** Well, it depends on how you interpret "hogging a large proportion of the space in the article", I suppose... :) -- User:Oliver Pereira 09:12, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) *** One of the redirects should be deleted in a day or two: see Aug 16 listing above. User:MyRedDice 09:03, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) ***I just don't believe it. We already had that discussion months ago, and keeping the articles about the Germans as they are was the agreement back then, without any objection. Are we going to use up our time and energy again and again and again to discuss the same things whenever a new user discovers a page for the first time? It's easy, isn't it, claiming that an article is "non-encyclopaedic" (what the hell does that mean anyway) and/or "POV", but I want to see you guys give reasons for your claims. If someone wanted to, they could find fault with every single page here on Wikipedia. Please don't forget the use-mention distinction, or think of the Latin ''relata refero'' if you prefer. No one here is insulting foreigners, but what kind of free and open society is it if it is not allowed/POV/whatever to talk about insulting terms? Please let's not be hyper- and hypocritical! Leave Pejorative terms for Germans as it is! --User:KF 11:59, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) ***Seconded! -- User:Tillwe 13:23, Aug 22, 2003 (UTC) *** PS And isn't it a bit strange that User:M123 first creates an article Pejorative terms for the French and then, only a few days later, nominates Pejorative terms for Germans for deletion? --User:KF 12:16, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) *** no, it is not a bit strange. Look at what he wrote as a comment when he created that list http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Pejorative_terms_for_the_French&action=history *** So I looked. User:M123 wrote: "This page was created in response to the existence of Pejorative terms for Germans." So now that he has created an article Francophones may find offensive he wants the German insults deleted? Can we have some logic please? --User:KF 23:57, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) ****duh. He does not like the german article but thinks he won't have back up if he ask for the deletion. So he create one on the french in hope that a french will feel like putting it here. If people react by saying "yes, delete it", he just needs to say "but if we delete this one, we should also deleted that one". If no one react to the french, he may perhaps do the next one about Jews and wait for RK to list it here. The more people complain, the more back up for deletion he gets. Well, at least, I would do that ;-) User:Anthere *****It was not so much that I didn't like the Pejorative terms for Germans, it was that such a page existed only for Germans (and was linked to by Germany). I figured that if I created a page about the French, either 1)both pages would be deleted or 2)more pages about other nationalities would be created. Also for full disclosure I wrote Pejorative terms for the French and User:KF wrote Pejorative terms for Germans. User:M123 01:12, 23 Aug 2003 (UTC) ******This is getting silly. It wouldn't be a problem for me, but I didn't even minor-edit that article. See http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Pejorative_terms_for_Germans&action=history . --User:KF 02:25, 23 Aug 2003 (UTC) ******I was sure that this process was on your mind M123. What is "irritating" is that you think of the french to help you have your stuff deleted. Why us ? Now, since you improved the french article to make it more encyclopedic, it is likely we will never have these pages deleted, but likely they will stay alone with just the German and the French. User:Anthere *** as for neutrality that you wonder on, I would say that this encyclopedia thrive for neutrality. It is supposed to be read by anyone with the feeling it is reporting information fairly. Now, I think that if you want a reader to think this encyclopedia is fair, there is need not only for the articles to be balanced, but also for the repartition of articles to be balanced. Which means that if you find a lot of articles celebrating america, its thinkers, its artists, its scientifics, and so on, and many articles being about pejorative terms, anti-"country" sentiment, and such on other articles, it is likely "from this country" users will think this encyclopedia is not neutral. It is pov by accumulation. User:Anthere ***By all means write many long and good articles about France and the French but also face the fact that, at least right now, there are some people who don't respect them as much as they used to. Only by writing more can you restore the balance. --User:KF 00:05, 23 Aug 2003 (UTC) ****Since last december or so, I have seen enough very rude comments about my country on talk pages, I had to contemplate horribly pov articles on us, I was insulted privately by a couple of proemi