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Real name: Kristof Zoltan Oltvai Occupation: Student Hobbies: Going on Wikipedia, going to Nebula Club meetings, yelling at random people on the sidewalk, Pokemon Currently obsessed with: Star Wars Haha! I found my Game Boy Advanced! And I now have interent *bows*! I am no longer a fan of the ''Metroid'' video game series (since I have given away all my ''Metroid'' games and guides as charitable contributions to the less fortunate), but still enjoy reasearching on Wikipedia, particularly ''Star Wars''. I take very particular interest in ''Star Wars'', having seen all the movies except for the one coming out soon. One day, I hope to be a famous writer, and am currently working on the novel ''The Newmans''. I plan to make the Newman books into a series. I have currently moved to Pittsburgh, a town located in the United States of America's Pennsylvania state. I now waste my time at a Catholic school. I live with my mom, brother, cat, dad, and lightsabers in a townhouse we are renting from abnormally messy people who are currently in Europe wasting thier own time. I am unhappy. Articles I have made: Science and Arts Academy Horace Mann Elementary School (deleted) thought bomb Dark Lord of the Sith Articles I have edited massly: Dark Lady of the Sith Darth Sidious

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Ahem...hello? Anyone out there? == Palpatine and Darth Sidious == Since the merging of Palpatine and Darth Sidious is under dispute, please discuss this issue on their talk pages rather than unilaterally merging them on your own. Thanks. User:Zzyzx11 User talk:Zzyzx11 15:19, 8 May 2005 (UTC) *Because of your recent merge war with User:Robeykr, I put this issue on Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Article content disputes. User:Zzyzx11 User talk:Zzyzx11 15:49, 8 May 2005 (UTC) *Thank you for stopping the merge war. In the meantime, could you do me a favor? I recently spotted an anonymous user trying to unilaterally change :Template:Swwiki to read ''"This article should be considered as a candidate to be copied to the Wikicities:c:StarWars and then deleted."'' I persuaded this user to revert it back until there was a formal discussion on the change. So if you are familar and/or contribute to the Star Wars Wiki, could you please make a comment on that Template talk:Swwiki. Thanks. User:Zzyzx11 User talk:Zzyzx11 04:11, 9 May 2005 (UTC) It looks like the concensus favors the article being merged under Palpatine. I think that if where to acknowledge this, we could go ahead and merge the articles. You've made some good points, but I think it's time to move on with this. User:Ace-o-aces 19:26, 9 May 2005 (UTC) It is not time to "move on with this", Mr., Mrs., Mizz, or Miss Ace-o-aces! Also, Zzyzx11, I have not stopped the merge war! I have not had internet for the last week, actually. Also, I know nothing about a template called Swwiki. I am not the unknown user! I am now going to back to my beloved Star Wars Wiki! Adiosa! User:KFan II 00:12, 15 May 2005 (UTC) == adding pictures == First you have to upload the picture. Just click on the Upload File link, listed on the left side of the screen. Follow the instructions and after you've uploaded the picture, highlight and copy the Image:name of file.jpg (or whatever extention you used) tag. Now go to whatever article you want to add the picture to and paste the Image tag with the ]] brackets around it. If its a large picture, you may have to add To add a picture to a table, just use the same method, in the designated spot (usually marked as |image= | ) Thats about it. Check Help:Contents for more information. --User:Kross 22:57, May 22, 2005 (UTC) Thanx. User:KFan II == Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader == Please do not unilaterally change or move these articles without further discussion with the community. Remember what happened with the Palpatine/Darth Sidious dispute? User:Zzyzx11 User talk:Zzyzx11 02:36, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) *All to well. Should I consult an admin? User:KFan II == Ulic Qel-Droma == May I ask why you felt it necessary to add Ulic Qel-Droma as the Dark Lord of the Sith after Exar Kun without explanation? I have reverted this mistake twice already. When Ulic was a Sith, he was Exar Kun's apprentice - the ''apprentice'' to the Dark Lord, not the Dark Lord himself. He never achieved that title, as he lost his connection to the Force before his master's demise, and went into isolation shortly after. And I noticed you undid my changes for Bastila aswell. Bastila, like Ulic, was simply an apprentice (albeit for a very short time), and never achieved the status of Dark Lord of the Sith. Also, take into account what Jon Hart has been saying about the Sith Lords from ''KotOR II''. They're just that - Sith Lords. There is only one Dark Lord of the Sith present at any time - neither had that advantage over the others, they were just equally very powerful Sith Lords. I'm going to revert the changes again - please provide some sort of logic or reason if you choose to dispute this. Thank you. User:Nufy8 22:35, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) You see, Ulic Qel-Droma was Dark Lord of the Sith for a very, very short time between the time his master died and Darth Revan took over. Same thing with Bastila Shan. Afterwards, the duo of Darth Nihilus and Darth Sion took over. Even if they were only the leaders of the Sith Order for a day or so, at that time, they were officially the leaders. I am reverting the changes you made. User:KFan II *Could you back that up in any form by chance? I'm wondering how he took on the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith after Exar's death when he was unable to the feel force - and how the sources I've been reading (such as the Star Wars Databank) say nothing of him returning to the Sith ways after he was cut off from the Force. That goes hand in hand with Bastila - I fail to see where you've come to this conclusion. And, like I said, there can only be one true Dark Lord of the Sith at one time - I doubt there is knowledge out there of Nihilus or Sion taking the title of Dark Lord for only a few days, and it seems like pure speculation to me. But, alas, to avoid an all out edit-war, I won't revert again until we have others comment on this, to add their thoughts. User:Nufy8 22:48, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) **I agree with you. Let's not have an edit war. I wanted to say one thing. The case with Sion and Nihilus...its an exception to the "one Dark Lord" rule. They were the heads of the Sith Order for ??? years, not just a few days. The following Dark Lords were on only for a few days or less: *Ulic Qel-Droma *Bastila Shan ***Ok, I understand the Sith Lords from ''KotOR II'' being the leaders of the Sith in their time, but can we really refer to them as Dark Lords of the Sith in that case? And how do we know this was meant as an exception that would deliberately change the title of Dark Lord of the Sith? Also - you keep saying that Ulic and Bastila were respective Dark Lords for only a few days, yet I still don't see where you're getting this from. User:Nufy8 23:00, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) ****I'm sorry, Nufy8, I don't know where I got it from, but I remember I did get it from ''somewhere''. Maybe from a ''Star Wars'' book? Yes, that must have been it, since I didn't get it from the internet. Sion and Nihilus could bend the rules because noone was stopping them, really. User:KFan II 23:03, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) *****Please, if you would, cite and quote from any books where it is stated that Ulic or Bastila was the Dark Lord of the Sith. User:Nufy8 23:07, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) ******I don't remember where I got it from, besides the fact that it was not from the internet. Please, if you could, find out where I got it from. I know it is official (unless a LusasThing lied). User:KFan II 23:09, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) *******You probably shouldn't be adding content that you are unable to verify. It's your responsibility to fact check when you add content, not mine. User:Nufy8 00:11, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) I've checked with ''Tales of the Jedi: The Sith War''- Ulic repents, and is severed (like the Jedi Exile) from the Force ''before'' he betrays Exar Kun, and causes Kun's death/ascencion; thus Ulic could never have been the Dark Lord. The arguments against Bastilla I've already said. --User:Marudubshinki 01:16, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) :I don't get it. To be a Dark Lord of the Sith, do you ''have'' to have a connection to the Force? Also, if you are blocked from the force, don't you die? If you don't, it is against George Lucas's "vision", as Supershadow - a fraud, by the way - would say. I still have the impression that Ulic Qel-Droma would be a Dark Lord. When Ulic betrayed Kun, how did the Sith legacy get passed on? --User:KFan II 14:19, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) ::Yes to the first (the essence of being a Sith, and thus a Dark Lord, is their peculiar perversion of the Force), no to the second (did Ulic die when Naomi blocked him? Did the Jedi Exile die when he severed himself from the Force?). Ulic very much repented- he was wandering the galaxy seeking forgiveness, some way he could 'become a Jedi again'- does that sound very evil and Sith-y to you? And the Sith legacy got passed on the way it had before- artifacts, places of darkness, Sith spirits (hm... like the one of Freedon Nadd, who instructed Exar Kun in the Sith ways? Or like Kyp Durron and Exar Kun? For that matter, where did Revan get his instruction?) etc. --User:Marudubshinki 15:37, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) :::So Ulic's ''not'' a Dark Lord person! Okay!I'll fix that. Thanx. --User:KFan II 15:42, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) ::::Good, we settled that pretty well. Thanks for your help, Maru. On another note, are you still disputing Bastila's Dark Lord/Lady of the Sith title or should we remove the succession box on her page? User:Nufy8 18:37, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) :::::Still disputing. User:KFan II 18:51, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) Bastila had to be a Dark Lord of the Sith. After all, wasn't she trained by Malak? She must have inherited the title. True? User:KFan II 18:51, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) :I just discovered this is true. It says so in the article that after Malak died, she became Revan's apprentice. Since Revan wasn't on the Dark Side, Bastila assumed this role. Afterwards she was defeated, so then her "reign" - I guess you could call it - was taken over by Darth Traya. User:KFan II 18:56, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) ::In the light side ending, Bastila is converted by Revan before Malak dies, so she does not take on the title. For the dark side ending, after Malak dies, she does indeed become Revan's apprentice. However, Revan ''did'' turn to the dark side (hence dark side ending), and took the title of Dark Lord of the Sith before he went missing. Whether Bastila inherits the title after Revan leaves is never stated. --User:Nufy8 20:04, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) :::Irrelevant. The succession boxes deal with what is canon, not the varied possibilities. We can't actually say what happens after Revan bugs out for the Unknown regions in the dark side ending of KOTOR II, because the source which would tell us, KOTOR II, tells only what happens after the ''light side'' ending. In the canon ending, the Light side ending, Bastilla is killed (?)/converted back to the Lightside, ''before'' Revan confronts and kills Malak. And KOTOR II tells us she never relapses, so the segment of time where she ''could'' have become Dark Lord, she didn't. --User:Marudubshinki 22:23, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) :::Okay, here's the way things are. The light side ending of ''Knights of the Old Republic'' is the canon ending, i.e. the one that "really" happened. Therefore, Revan redeemed Bastila, killed Malak, and saved the Republic as a Jedi. You will note, of course, that Bastila was redeemed ''before'' the death of Darth Malak, the reigning Dark Lord of the Sith. This means that Bastila was never, at any time, in any way, shape, or form, the Dark Lord of the Sith. She is alive, well, and still a Jedi in ''The Sith Lords''. That's it. --User:Jon Hart ::::Precisely what I meant! You said it much better than I. --User:Marudubshinki 01:30, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC) Sorry about everything, you obviously know Star Wars better than me. I just assumed that Shan would be Malak's apprentice, since he trained her. Lucasfilm people should make Star Wars easier to follow. User:KFan II :I see you've changed pages to include that the trio from ''The Sith Lords'' be included as Dark Lords of the Sith. Like the edit summaries on the history pages say, you need to provide some sort of proof of this. It's never said that either of them are Dark Lords of the Sith. I'm going to revert those changes... User:Nufy8 *Wait a sec, Nufy8. In a ''very'' old version of Darth Malak's page, it said he was succeeded by the triad of Traya, Nihilus, and Sion. Then I realized this could be impossible, because Traya was the master of both. Because of this, she succeeded Malak, and in turn Sion and Nihilus both succeeded their master. Since I have not read up ''that'' much on thier histories, I asssume they didn't murder each other. It seems Sion was somehow convinced by Jedi Exile to kill himself, but I don't know what happened to Nihilus. User:KFan II 17:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) **Traya succeeded Malak in terms of becoming the more powerful of the Lords who would attempt to lead the Sith, but not necessarily take on the title "Dark Lord of the Sith". When Sion and Nihilus betrayed Traya, both took their own paths - neither unified the Sith under one command, and the persona of Darth Traya was temporarily abandoned. Sion does indeed kill himself, but before that (yet still at the end of ''KotOR II''), Nihilus is vanquished on his ship by the Jedi Exile. User:Nufy8 18:01, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)


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