A LiveCD is an operating system (usually containing other software as well) stored on a booting CD-ROM that can be executed from it, without installation on a hard drive. The system returns to its previous OS when the LiveCD is ejected and the computer is rebooted. It does this by placing the files which typically would be stored on a hard drive, onto a ram disk. This however does cut down on the RAM available to applications, reducing performance somewhat. [[Image:Gnoppix-0.8.1beta5.png|thumb|480px|right|Gnoppix 0.8.1-beta5 running Epiphany (web browser) 1.4.0 under GNOME, with Gaim connected to the freenode Internet Relay Chat]] Some LiveCDs come with an installation utility launchable from a desktop icon that can optionally install the system on a hard drive or Universal Serial Bus keydrive. Most LiveCDs can access the information on internal and/or external harddrives, diskettes and Universal Serial Bus Flash memory. Most LiveCDs contain a system based on the Linux kernel, but there are also LiveCDs based on other operating systems, such as Mac OS, Mac OS X, BeOS, FreeBSD, Plan 9 (operating system) or Microsoft Windows, though the legal status of LiveCDs based on Windows code is dubious. The first OS to support LiveCD operations appears to have been Mac OS Mac OS history on a CD and any other user created Macintosh CD with a System folder, which could be brought to a full desktop from a CD-ROM, in 1991. The syslinux utility is used to boot Linux based LiveCDs as well as Linux floppies. On a personal computer, a bootable CD generally conforms to the El Torito (CD-ROM standard) specification which treats a special file on the disc (possibly hidden) as a floppy diskette image. Many Linux based LiveCDs use a compressed filesystem image, often with the ''cloop'' compressed loopback driver, generally doubling effective storage capacity. The resulting environment can be quite rich: typical Knoppix systems include around 1,200 separate software packages. ==Mini-LiveCDs== A Mini-LiveCD, also known as a bootable business card, is a LiveCD small enough to fit on a CD-ROM that has been cut, pressed, or molded to the size and shape of a business card. Mini-LiveCDs are able to hold about 50 megabyte, or 100 MB under compression. Damn Small Linux (DSL) is an example of a rich Mini-LiveCD operating system that fits onto a 50 megabyte CD. == Emulation == There are number of emulators on the market that can be used to try a LiveCD without the need to CD recorder it to a CD or booting it on the computer. The most widely supported i386 emulator is VMware. Others include Qemu, PearPC and Bochs which can all also emulate the x86 and/or PowerPC platforms, although due to their emulation methods, they are slower than the commercial alternatives. Another commercial one is VirtualPC. ==List of LiveCDs== *Main article List of LiveCDs === Apple Computer Apple Macintosh Mac OS based === * System folder of Mac OS on a CD or on a floppy disk * BootCD from [http://www.charlessoft.com/ Charlessoft] for Mac OS X === Berkeley Software Distribution based=== *DragonFly BSD [http://www.dragonflybsd.org/main/download.cgi] *FreeSBIE (Based on FreeBSD) *Frenzy LiveCD mini-CD (Based on FreeBSD) *NetBSD - official livecd image. [ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/iso/2.0/i386live.iso Direct link] and [ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/iso/2.0/README.i386live quick reference documentation]. ===Linux based=== * Knoppix - The "original" Debian-based LiveCD * MEPIS - For a Debian (APT compatible) installation * Damn Small Linux - Light-weight Knoppix cut-down to a business card-sized CD. * MandrakeMove - Commercially-backed by Mandriva * PCLinuxOS - Direct representative of [http://livecd.berlios.de/ The LiveCD Project] * ROCK Linux LiveCD targeted for PowerPC * SLAX - A Slackware derivative === Microsoft Windows based=== *BartPE (Windows 2000/XP/2003) *[http://www.xplivecd.com XP Live CD] (Windows XP) *[http://www.911cd.net/ 911 Rescue CD] (Windows NT/2000/XP/2003) *[http://www.ubcd4win.com Ultimate Boot CD for Windows] (Windows XP) - Extends the capabilities of BartPE *[http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_bart_cd.html Avast Bart CD] === Others === *BeOS for Intel CD's support Live-mode operation, back to 1998 *Plan 9 (operating system) had a "Live-floppy" including web browser and compilers around 1992. These days a bootable ISO is built every day, you can download the latest one from: http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/download.html *SkyOS *[http://www.livecdnews.com/ LiveCD News] == See also == * tomsrtbt == External links == *[http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO/cd-roms.html Bootable CDROM HowTo] *[http://www.livecdlist.com List of 200+ LiveCDs] (also at [http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php]) *[http://www.livedistro.org/ LiveDistro.org] - Release Announcements and Documentation *[http://www.seedwiki.com/page.cfm?doc=Live%20Linux&wikiid=4148 Live Linux Wiki: a wiki about LiveCD Linux distributions] (appears to be long dead) *[http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixCustomizations Long list of LiveCDs at the Knoppix Wiki] * The Debian Wiki lists [http://wiki.debian.net/?LiveCD some Debian-based live-CDs, and tips on how to make your own customized live-CD]. *[http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/issue_01/live_cds The magic of live CDs] Article published on Free Software Magazine about live CDs Operating systems
==GoBack== I've created an article, GoBack, which refers to this article, regarding accessing non-Microsoft partitions while still keeping GoBack enabled. --User:Rebroad 16:37, 22 May 2005 (UTC) ---- Sorted from most to least recent ... ---- Gentoo 2004.3 brings gcc make vi X etc. to PPC ... but then Gentoo 2005.0 drops X, best as I can tell. Whether Gentoo really means to offer a live Linux CD for PPC or not, I'm not sure ---- > let's create more up-to-date PPC livecd Gentoo is live now, I think. Within a month they've responded with interest & fixes to my bug reports, costing me nothing but an e-mail registration at bugs.gentoo.org. Their version 2004.2 is current, in their 2004.3 by now we can hope to see a more automagic launch of the (KDE) desktop, gcc and make, fsck for HFS+, etc. > how to write livecd Yah I hate that term. Yes I agree Live CD is a better way to write it. I personally find the phrase Boot and Run CD more immediately illuminating to the newbie, but I see Iomega has trademarked that phrase. I wonder if the shortest way to explain this idea is to say Linux boot CD and then add that these require no HDD to run Open Office etc. > any interest in wikipedia livecd I'm interested, for one. I think live CD are demo discs nonpareil. We can demo Linux itself, but also peripheral hardware of every kind, without risking unrecoverable changes to the boot HDD. For example, I see there is a live CD out there dedicating to demoing how to reprogram Lego robots. [Pat LaVarre, 25th September 2004] : Mail me for a link to a working wikipedia livecd. User:JureCuhalev - g@owca.info --- I think we need to decide how to write livecd .. is it LiveCD or 'Live CD' or 'live cd' or 'livecd' so it's consistent throught the article : The easiest but maybe not the best way would be to use the article name User:Honta 22:31, 2004 Aug 22 (UTC) -- from head -- I meant to say that I heard it somewhere once. While writing that paragraph for talk page I didn't research each claim. I have to find this person that gave me this piece of information and research some more. About emulation. In contrast to qemu-i386 you have qemu-ppc which emulates big endian so you can emulate PPC on PC. Another such product is PearPC that allows you to run OSX and MandrakePPC on i386. Well since each great project starts this way .. let's create more up-to-date PPC livecd. I'm also wondering if there is any interest in wikipedia livecd or should I stop developing it? -- > yellowdog linux from head Help I do not understand this English. What does "from head" mean? > yellowdog linux from YellowDogLinux.com is from Terra Soft. > yellowdog linux I notice the string "yellow" does not yet appear in the livecd article. > About Qemu Clear now, thank you. I like how the live CD article distinguishes "Emulation" from "List of LiveCDs". What interests Me are live CD in particular, specifically I often want to connect Linux to devices I'm developing, but without having to begin by sacrificing a boot drive. Mac live CD's interest Me because the host is big-endian, which sometimes confuses the kernel and apps. Emulation would interest me more if I believed it emulated a big-endian Mac rather than emulating a little-endian PC. > Gentoo Yesterday I saw [http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61214 "A bugs.gentoo.org administrator"] tell me Gentoo by design doesn't do more than install itself. Myself, I find Gentoo plus small patches gives me X on any Mac and KDE on new Mac's and less, which is more than I get from the Knoppix live CD ... but as yet I have no gcc and no make in any PPC/ Mac live CD. > [http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php?sort=&showonly=PowerPC "another nice list of ppc livecds"] Google had found that page for me too, but the showonly tag is new to me, thanks. Should we mention that page in the article? Its undated, and its link to SystemRescue has rotted away. Otherwise, it shows only the PPC choices we've been discussing, specifically: Gentoo LiveCD, Knoppix PPC, Knoppix-MiB. I haven't yet tried the -MiB. -- Well, I was talking about yellowdog linux from head. This is another nice list of ppc livecds: [http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php?sort=&showonly=PowerPC] About Qemu: if you have linux installed on your powerpc you can do: qemu-i386 -cdrom knoppix.iso -m 128 and it will boot into i386 livecd. Not very helpful since it's not livecd but still usable if you want to show it to someone but don't have i386 handy. -- Thank you. For the query of Mac/ PPC live CD that gives us Knoppix and Gentoo, leaving only the Yellow Dog live CD not found (and the Qemu alternative unelaborated). But ouch, I don't see how I managed to lose track of the research: 19th August 2004, 16:35 GMT [http://www.google.com/search?q=ppc+livecd+site:www.knoppix.net "http://www.google.com/search?q=ppc+livecd+site:www.knoppix.net"] thus [http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixCustomizations "Knoppix Customizations"] thus A 2003-07-13 port to PPC: http://debian.tu-bs.de/knoppix/powerPC/ A 2003-05-22 port with privacy tweaks to PPC: http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixCustomizations -- Here you have Knoppix PPC image: http://debian.tu-bs.de/knoppix/powerPC/ -- I meant that on a PC platform you may find lots and lots of interesting developments while there are only handfull of livecds for PPC. To give more specific example of this. I made wikipedia livecd for i386 platfrom. Flash demo can be found Link http://phi.livecd.net/wikipedia.html here. Yet there will be no PPC version for some time even though I also own a PPC because I don't have enough knowledge and morphix isn't yet ported to PPC. - JC --- > About mac livecds. There are ... PPC Knoppix, and YellowDog Livecds and Gentoo also. Ouch, for PPC I find only Gentoo. Delightfully up-to-date: 2.6.7 today, close to the kernel.org stable of 2.6.8.1. > But development in that field isn't as powerful as PC version. Aye, no gcc, no make, no X, for me here by default. --- 1) Should I now fold your clear answer back into the article? Seems to me anyone visiting the page will want to know which answers apply to their hardware, so we should keep x86, PPC, etc. distinguished? 2) Thanks for moving my question where it belongs, this is only my third day of Wiki. 3) Only "install" CD's, no plainly live CD's, appear on offer at [http://linux-iso.org "linux-iso.org"] for: * [http://linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=12 "Yellow Dog"] (PPC livecd not yet found) no mention at [http://ydl.osuosl.org/iso/README "YD mirror README"] * Qemu (no install either) Google says this is a virtual PC inside of which I might run Linux. I'm not sure that would help me. Me, I want to modprobe kernel code and i/o tools that I've patched. * [http://linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=44 "Knoppix"] (PPC livecd not yet found) no hits at [http://www.google.com/search?q=ppc+site:www.knopper.net "PPC knopper.net"] * [http://linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=45 "Gentoo"] Doesn't look real. 2.6.7 uname -msr encouraged me, but no gcc, no make, no X. X is theoretically present, but X itself and Xautoconfig ; X doesn't work for me here (Itanium Powerbook). I'd have said something to Gentoo, but their forums require registration to talk. 4) plavarre [http://linux-pel.blog-city.com/read/770541.htm "big-endian Linux"] is my blog of where I searched fruitlessly before here. --- Yes, the listed ones all work on x86. Qemu also works on PowerPC platform. About mac livecds. There are PPC Knoppix, and YellowDog Livecds and Gentoo also. But development in that field isn't as powerful as PC version. --- Do all of these work only on x86 PC? Where are the LiveCD for Mac? - User:172.199.122.159 ==Linux Bias== Why is this article so heavily Linux based and biased? Linux is not the only and far from the first OS to do LiveCD. This article basically reads like an advert for Live Linuces. User:Kiand 21:23, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC) :- Well, I haven't seen many for other operating systems. To be fair, the article does include reference to Windows, BSD, and others. If you know of any others, add them! That's what Wikipedia is about. User:Andrewferrier 15:13, 2004 Nov 10 (UTC) ::The article should be moved to Linx LiveCD's and a new one written though. This one is 95% Linux advertising. ::FFS, theres a listing of "RPM Based" and "Debian Based" and so on... ::First three paragraphs of the Intro are fine, the fourth is advertising, the fifth is OK, the sixth is advertising, and most of the sections are again all Linux advertising. ::Linux is not the be-all and end-all of Operating Systems. Just because Wikipedia uses a GNU licence doesn't mean it must forever champion other GNU licenced products. ::User:Kiand 15:42, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC) :::Moving an article on LiveCDs to "Linux LiveCDs" makes very little sense. If the article is focusing disproptionately on Linux LiveCDs, that can be corrected -- but given that this is what you think is "advertising": ::::''The syslinux utility is used to boot most LiveCDs as well as Linux floppies. On a PC a bootable CD generally conforms to the El Torito specification which treats a special file on the disc (possibly hidden) as a floppy diskette image. Many Linux LiveCDs use a compressed filesystem image (often with the cloop compressed loopback driver). '' :::I'm sorry, I see a paragraph that looks at the infrastructure that is most commonly to create the most common kind of LiveCDs -- Linux LiveCDs. I don't see "advertising". If you think the proportions are wrong -- for instance, if you have more BSD-based LiveCDs to add to our current list of four -- then by all means, expand our knowledge of what the article currently fails to address. But your assumption that 'this article talks more about Linux LiveCDs than the other kinds because Wikipedians are prejudiced towards other GNU licensed products' is insulting and illogical, and your suggestion that the solution is not to broaden the overview taken by the article but to exile "Linux LiveCDs" into a separate article of its own is illogical and arrogant. -- User:Antaeus Feldspar 16:14, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::::I see you make the automatic assumption I'm a BSD user. Which has less basis than my assumption that a lot of Wikipedians are Linux loving Stallman idolising GNU admirers. Yes, I've got BSD installed on 2 of my boxen, I've got MacOS Classic on more of them, and I don't even touch Apple with a 50 foot bargepole. ::::This article, no matter how you look at it, is written as if only Linux does LiveCD's well. MacOS Classic CD's were all live. BeOS CD's are all live. Neither of them even touch syslinux or cloop. Neither of them use RPM or Debian package management. ::::Cut the actual stuff about LiveCD's out of this for a new article and fire the rest into a list of Linux Live CD's. It doesn't need to be here. ::::User:Kiand 16:44, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC) :::::I didn't assume anything about you. I mentioned ''one'' example of some information that you might have that, if you could be persuaded to share it instead of whining that it wasn't there and the fact that it wasn't there proved our GNU bias, would improve the article. And you generalized from that one example to an "automatic assumption" on my part. :::::What I'm saying, and yes I ''do'' shrug my shoulders helplessly at the incredibly low chances that you'll get the huge chip off your shoulder and read correctly this time, is that the article has more detail on Linux-based LiveCDs than on other kinds, because ''a lot of people use Linux LiveCDs'', they are ''enthusiastic about what they use'', and they ''write about what they know''. The answer to that is for people who know and can write about the stuff that is currently being ''left out'' to ''stop whining about it being left out'' and start ''addressing the imbalance by writing''. :::::Your solution makes about as much sense as a chaperone at a school dance announcing "Well, some of you are out on the floor dancing, while others are just hanging on the sides watching. Obviously, you people out on the floor are doing something unfair to the people on the sides, so we're going to exile you to a different dance, and then ''this'' dance will be fair and balanced because everyone will be hanging out on the sides staring at the floor equally." -- User:Antaeus Feldspar 17:15, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC) == Representative samples: basis and purpose? == I agree with most of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=LiveCD&diff=0&oldid=7303775] these changes, and I agree with the idea of splitting off a List of LiveCDs from the main article. Looking at the shortened list left in the main article, though, it occurs to me that what is most interesting about LiveCDs is the purposes they have been specialized for. What do people think of having two small lists in the main article: one listing LiveCDs that are of note because they're the most popular LiveCD versions of that OS, the other listing LiveCDs that are of note because of their specialized focus? -- User:Antaeus Feldspar 19:20, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC) = A Suggestion = How about a new entry for LiveDVD? These are starting to be released now. Although there is a 2 GB limit on the primary partition of a bootable DVD on x86 computers, there should be a way to mount the rest of the disk for file storage.
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A LiveCD is an operating system (usually containing other software as well) stored on a booting CD-ROM that can be executed from it, without installation on a hard drive. The system returns to its previous OS when the LiveCD is ejected and the computer is rebooted. It does this by placing the files which typically would be stored on a hard drive, onto a ram disk. This however does cut down on the RAM available to applications, reducing performance somewhat. [[Image:Gnoppix-0.8.1beta5.png|thumb|480px|right|Gnoppix 0.8.1-beta5 running Epiphany (web browser) 1.4.0 under GNOME, with Gaim connected to the freenode Internet Relay Chat]] Some LiveCDs come with an installation utility launchable from a desktop icon that can optionally install the system on a hard drive or Universal Serial Bus keydrive. Most LiveCDs can access the information on internal and/or external harddrives, diskettes and Universal Serial Bus Flash memory. Most LiveCDs contain a system based on the Linux kernel, but there are also LiveCDs based on other operating systems, such as Mac OS, Mac OS X, BeOS, FreeBSD, Plan 9 (operating system) or Microsoft Windows, though the legal status of LiveCDs based on Windows code is dubious. The first OS to support LiveCD operations appears to have been Mac OS Mac OS history on a CD and any other user created Macintosh CD with a System folder, which could be brought to a full desktop from a CD-ROM, in 1991. The syslinux utility is used to boot Linux based LiveCDs as well as Linux floppies. On a personal computer, a bootable CD generally conforms to the El Torito (CD-ROM standard) specification which treats a special file on the disc (possibly hidden) as a floppy diskette image. Many Linux based LiveCDs use a compressed filesystem image, often with the ''cloop'' compressed loopback driver, generally doubling effective storage capacity. The resulting environment can be quite rich: typical Knoppix systems include around 1,200 separate software packages. ==Mini-LiveCDs== A Mini-LiveCD, also known as a bootable business card, is a LiveCD small enough to fit on a CD-ROM that has been cut, pressed, or molded to the size and shape of a business card. Mini-LiveCDs are able to hold about 50 megabyte, or 100 MB under compression. Damn Small Linux (DSL) is an example of a rich Mini-LiveCD operating system that fits onto a 50 megabyte CD. == Emulation == There are number of emulators on the market that can be used to try a LiveCD without the need to CD recorder it to a CD or booting it on the computer. The most widely supported i386 emulator is VMware. Others include Qemu, PearPC and Bochs which can all also emulate the x86 and/or PowerPC platforms, although due to their emulation methods, they are slower than the commercial alternatives. Another commercial one is VirtualPC. ==List of LiveCDs== *Main article List of LiveCDs === Apple Computer Apple Macintosh Mac OS based === * System folder of Mac OS on a CD or on a floppy disk * BootCD from [http://www.charlessoft.com/ Charlessoft] for Mac OS X === Berkeley Software Distribution based=== *DragonFly BSD [http://www.dragonflybsd.org/main/download.cgi] *FreeSBIE (Based on FreeBSD) *Frenzy LiveCD mini-CD (Based on FreeBSD) *NetBSD - official livecd image. [ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/iso/2.0/i386live.iso Direct link] and [ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/iso/2.0/README.i386live quick reference documentation]. ===Linux based=== * Knoppix - The "original" Debian-based LiveCD * MEPIS - For a Debian (APT compatible) installation * Damn Small Linux - Light-weight Knoppix cut-down to a business card-sized CD. * MandrakeMove - Commercially-backed by Mandriva * PCLinuxOS - Direct representative of [http://livecd.berlios.de/ The LiveCD Project] * ROCK Linux LiveCD targeted for PowerPC * SLAX - A Slackware derivative === Microsoft Windows based=== *BartPE (Windows 2000/XP/2003) *[http://www.xplivecd.com XP Live CD] (Windows XP) *[http://www.911cd.net/ 911 Rescue CD] (Windows NT/2000/XP/2003) *[http://www.ubcd4win.com Ultimate Boot CD for Windows] (Windows XP) - Extends the capabilities of BartPE *[http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_bart_cd.html Avast Bart CD] === Others === *BeOS for Intel CD's support Live-mode operation, back to 1998 *Plan 9 (operating system) had a "Live-floppy" including web browser and compilers around 1992. These days a bootable ISO is built every day, you can download the latest one from: http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/download.html *SkyOS *[http://www.livecdnews.com/ LiveCD News] == See also == * tomsrtbt == External links == *[http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO/cd-roms.html Bootable CDROM HowTo] *[http://www.livecdlist.com List of 200+ LiveCDs] (also at [http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php]) *[http://www.livedistro.org/ LiveDistro.org] - Release Announcements and Documentation *[http://www.seedwiki.com/page.cfm?doc=Live%20Linux&wikiid=4148 Live Linux Wiki: a wiki about LiveCD Linux distributions] (appears to be long dead) *[http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixCustomizations Long list of LiveCDs at the Knoppix Wiki] * The Debian Wiki lists [http://wiki.debian.net/?LiveCD some Debian-based live-CDs, and tips on how to make your own customized live-CD]. *[http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/issue_01/live_cds The magic of live CDs] Article published on Free Software Magazine about live CDs Operating systems
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==GoBack== I've created an article, GoBack, which refers to this article, regarding accessing non-Microsoft partitions while still keeping GoBack enabled. --User:Rebroad 16:37, 22 May 2005 (UTC) ---- Sorted from most to least recent ... ---- Gentoo 2004.3 brings gcc make vi X etc. to PPC ... but then Gentoo 2005.0 drops X, best as I can tell. Whether Gentoo really means to offer a live Linux CD for PPC or not, I'm not sure ---- > let's create more up-to-date PPC livecd Gentoo is live now, I think. Within a month they've responded with interest & fixes to my bug reports, costing me nothing but an e-mail registration at bugs.gentoo.org. Their version 2004.2 is current, in their 2004.3 by now we can hope to see a more automagic launch of the (KDE) desktop, gcc and make, fsck for HFS+, etc. > how to write livecd Yah I hate that term. Yes I agree Live CD is a better way to write it. I personally find the phrase Boot and Run CD more immediately illuminating to the newbie, but I see Iomega has trademarked that phrase. I wonder if the shortest way to explain this idea is to say Linux boot CD and then add that these require no HDD to run Open Office etc. > any interest in wikipedia livecd I'm interested, for one. I think live CD are demo discs nonpareil. We can demo Linux itself, but also peripheral hardware of every kind, without risking unrecoverable changes to the boot HDD. For example, I see there is a live CD out there dedicating to demoing how to reprogram Lego robots. [Pat LaVarre, 25th September 2004] : Mail me for a link to a working wikipedia livecd. User:JureCuhalev - g@owca.info --- I think we need to decide how to write livecd .. is it LiveCD or 'Live CD' or 'live cd' or 'livecd' so it's consistent throught the article : The easiest but maybe not the best way would be to use the article name User:Honta 22:31, 2004 Aug 22 (UTC) -- from head -- I meant to say that I heard it somewhere once. While writing that paragraph for talk page I didn't research each claim. I have to find this person that gave me this piece of information and research some more. About emulation. In contrast to qemu-i386 you have qemu-ppc which emulates big endian so you can emulate PPC on PC. Another such product is PearPC that allows you to run OSX and MandrakePPC on i386. Well since each great project starts this way .. let's create more up-to-date PPC livecd. I'm also wondering if there is any interest in wikipedia livecd or should I stop developing it? -- > yellowdog linux from head Help I do not understand this English. What does "from head" mean? > yellowdog linux from YellowDogLinux.com is from Terra Soft. > yellowdog linux I notice the string "yellow" does not yet appear in the livecd article. > About Qemu Clear now, thank you. I like how the live CD article distinguishes "Emulation" from "List of LiveCDs". What interests Me are live CD in particular, specifically I often want to connect Linux to devices I'm developing, but without having to begin by sacrificing a boot drive. Mac live CD's interest Me because the host is big-endian, which sometimes confuses the kernel and apps. Emulation would interest me more if I believed it emulated a big-endian Mac rather than emulating a little-endian PC. > Gentoo Yesterday I saw [http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61214 "A bugs.gentoo.org administrator"] tell me Gentoo by design doesn't do more than install itself. Myself, I find Gentoo plus small patches gives me X on any Mac and KDE on new Mac's and less, which is more than I get from the Knoppix live CD ... but as yet I have no gcc and no make in any PPC/ Mac live CD. > [http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php?sort=&showonly=PowerPC "another nice list of ppc livecds"] Google had found that page for me too, but the showonly tag is new to me, thanks. Should we mention that page in the article? Its undated, and its link to SystemRescue has rotted away. Otherwise, it shows only the PPC choices we've been discussing, specifically: Gentoo LiveCD, Knoppix PPC, Knoppix-MiB. I haven't yet tried the -MiB. -- Well, I was talking about yellowdog linux from head. This is another nice list of ppc livecds: [http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php?sort=&showonly=PowerPC] About Qemu: if you have linux installed on your powerpc you can do: qemu-i386 -cdrom knoppix.iso -m 128 and it will boot into i386 livecd. Not very helpful since it's not livecd but still usable if you want to show it to someone but don't have i386 handy. -- Thank you. For the query of Mac/ PPC live CD that gives us Knoppix and Gentoo, leaving only the Yellow Dog live CD not found (and the Qemu alternative unelaborated). But ouch, I don't see how I managed to lose track of the research: 19th August 2004, 16:35 GMT [http://www.google.com/search?q=ppc+livecd+site:www.knoppix.net "http://www.google.com/search?q=ppc+livecd+site:www.knoppix.net"] thus [http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixCustomizations "Knoppix Customizations"] thus A 2003-07-13 port to PPC: http://debian.tu-bs.de/knoppix/powerPC/ A 2003-05-22 port with privacy tweaks to PPC: http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixCustomizations -- Here you have Knoppix PPC image: http://debian.tu-bs.de/knoppix/powerPC/ -- I meant that on a PC platform you may find lots and lots of interesting developments while there are only handfull of livecds for PPC. To give more specific example of this. I made wikipedia livecd for i386 platfrom. Flash demo can be found Link http://phi.livecd.net/wikipedia.html here. Yet there will be no PPC version for some time even though I also own a PPC because I don't have enough knowledge and morphix isn't yet ported to PPC. - JC --- > About mac livecds. There are ... PPC Knoppix, and YellowDog Livecds and Gentoo also. Ouch, for PPC I find only Gentoo. Delightfully up-to-date: 2.6.7 today, close to the kernel.org stable of 2.6.8.1. > But development in that field isn't as powerful as PC version. Aye, no gcc, no make, no X, for me here by default. --- 1) Should I now fold your clear answer back into the article? Seems to me anyone visiting the page will want to know which answers apply to their hardware, so we should keep x86, PPC, etc. distinguished? 2) Thanks for moving my question where it belongs, this is only my third day of Wiki. 3) Only "install" CD's, no plainly live CD's, appear on offer at [http://linux-iso.org "linux-iso.org"] for: * [http://linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=12 "Yellow Dog"] (PPC livecd not yet found) no mention at [http://ydl.osuosl.org/iso/README "YD mirror README"] * Qemu (no install either) Google says this is a virtual PC inside of which I might run Linux. I'm not sure that would help me. Me, I want to modprobe kernel code and i/o tools that I've patched. * [http://linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=44 "Knoppix"] (PPC livecd not yet found) no hits at [http://www.google.com/search?q=ppc+site:www.knopper.net "PPC knopper.net"] * [http://linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=45 "Gentoo"] Doesn't look real. 2.6.7 uname -msr encouraged me, but no gcc, no make, no X. X is theoretically present, but X itself and Xautoconfig ; X doesn't work for me here (Itanium Powerbook). I'd have said something to Gentoo, but their forums require registration to talk. 4) plavarre [http://linux-pel.blog-city.com/read/770541.htm "big-endian Linux"] is my blog of where I searched fruitlessly before here. --- Yes, the listed ones all work on x86. Qemu also works on PowerPC platform. About mac livecds. There are PPC Knoppix, and YellowDog Livecds and Gentoo also. But development in that field isn't as powerful as PC version. --- Do all of these work only on x86 PC? Where are the LiveCD for Mac? - User:172.199.122.159 ==Linux Bias== Why is this article so heavily Linux based and biased? Linux is not the only and far from the first OS to do LiveCD. This article basically reads like an advert for Live Linuces. User:Kiand 21:23, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC) :- Well, I haven't seen many for other operating systems. To be fair, the article does include reference to Windows, BSD, and others. If you know of any others, add them! That's what Wikipedia is about. User:Andrewferrier 15:13, 2004 Nov 10 (UTC) ::The article should be moved to Linx LiveCD's and a new one written though. This one is 95% Linux advertising. ::FFS, theres a listing of "RPM Based" and "Debian Based" and so on... ::First three paragraphs of the Intro are fine, the fourth is advertising, the fifth is OK, the sixth is advertising, and most of the sections are again all Linux advertising. ::Linux is not the be-all and end-all of Operating Systems. Just because Wikipedia uses a GNU licence doesn't mean it must forever champion other GNU licenced products. ::User:Kiand 15:42, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC) :::Moving an article on LiveCDs to "Linux LiveCDs" makes very little sense. If the article is focusing disproptionately on Linux LiveCDs, that can be corrected -- but given that this is what you think is "advertising": ::::''The syslinux utility is used to boot most LiveCDs as well as Linux floppies. On a PC a bootable CD generally conforms to the El Torito specification which treats a special file on the disc (possibly hidden) as a floppy diskette image. Many Linux LiveCDs use a compressed filesystem image (often with the cloop compressed loopback driver). '' :::I'm sorry, I see a paragraph that looks at the infrastructure that is most commonly to create the most common kind of LiveCDs -- Linux LiveCDs. I don't see "advertising". If you think the proportions are wrong -- for instance, if you have more BSD-based LiveCDs to add to our current list of four -- then by all means, expand our knowledge of what the article currently fails to address. But your assumption that 'this article talks more about Linux LiveCDs than the other kinds because Wikipedians are prejudiced towards other GNU licensed products' is insulting and illogical, and your suggestion that the solution is not to broaden the overview taken by the article but to exile "Linux LiveCDs" into a separate article of its own is illogical and arrogant. -- User:Antaeus Feldspar 16:14, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::::I see you make the automatic assumption I'm a BSD user. Which has less basis than my assumption that a lot of Wikipedians are Linux loving Stallman idolising GNU admirers. Yes, I've got BSD installed on 2 of my boxen, I've got MacOS Classic on more of them, and I don't even touch Apple with a 50 foot bargepole. ::::This article, no matter how you look at it, is written as if only Linux does LiveCD's well. MacOS Classic CD's were all live. BeOS CD's are all live. Neither of them even touch syslinux or cloop. Neither of them use RPM or Debian package management. ::::Cut the actual stuff about LiveCD's out of this for a new article and fire the rest into a list of Linux Live CD's. It doesn't need to be here. ::::User:Kiand 16:44, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC) :::::I didn't assume anything about you. I mentioned ''one'' example of some information that you might have that, if you could be persuaded to share it instead of whining that it wasn't there and the fact that it wasn't there proved our GNU bias, would improve the article. And you generalized from that one example to an "automatic assumption" on my part. :::::What I'm saying, and yes I ''do'' shrug my shoulders helplessly at the incredibly low chances that you'll get the huge chip off your shoulder and read correctly this time, is that the article has more detail on Linux-based LiveCDs than on other kinds, because ''a lot of people use Linux LiveCDs'', they are ''enthusiastic about what they use'', and they ''write about what they know''. The answer to that is for people who know and can write about the stuff that is currently being ''left out'' to ''stop whining about it being left out'' and start ''addressing the imbalance by writing''. :::::Your solution makes about as much sense as a chaperone at a school dance announcing "Well, some of you are out on the floor dancing, while others are just hanging on the sides watching. Obviously, you people out on the floor are doing something unfair to the people on the sides, so we're going to exile you to a different dance, and then ''this'' dance will be fair and balanced because everyone will be hanging out on the sides staring at the floor equally." -- User:Antaeus Feldspar 17:15, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC) == Representative samples: basis and purpose? == I agree with most of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=LiveCD&diff=0&oldid=7303775] these changes, and I agree with the idea of splitting off a List of LiveCDs from the main article. Looking at the shortened list left in the main article, though, it occurs to me that what is most interesting about LiveCDs is the purposes they have been specialized for. What do people think of having two small lists in the main article: one listing LiveCDs that are of note because they're the most popular LiveCD versions of that OS, the other listing LiveCDs that are of note because of their specialized focus? -- User:Antaeus Feldspar 19:20, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC) = A Suggestion = How about a new entry for LiveDVD? These are starting to be released now. Although there is a 2 GB limit on the primary partition of a bootable DVD on x86 computers, there should be a way to mount the rest of the disk for file storage.
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