
Mariah Carey (born March 27, 1970 in Huntington_(CDP),_New_York) is an United States popular music singer, songwriter, record producer, Music Video Director, diva, actor, and philanthropist who rose to prominence in the 1990s. Carey's music has been influenced by rhythm and blues, pop music, gospel music, hip hop music, dance music, and rock and roll. She is credited as having a 5 (number)-octave vocal range, possibly the greatest range of any popular singer since Minnie Riperton in the 1970s . She makes lavish use of melisma; her vocal swoops and trills are easily recognizable features of her sound. Surveys have placed Carey as one of the Biggest-selling female musician . She was the top-selling recording artist of any kind during the 1990s and her singles have spent more weeks at #1 than any other living artist in Billboard magazine history . Carey's vocal style influenced a generation of singers who came after her, including Christina Aguilera and Beyoncé Knowles as well as many ''American Idol'' competitors. ==Early life and family, 1970–1990== Carey is the third and youngest child of Patricia Hickey, an opera singer and voice coach of Irish American ethnicity, and Alfred Roy Carey, an aerospace engineering of Venezuela-African American descent. She was named after the song "(And They Call the Wind) Mariah", from the musical ''Paint Your Wagon''. She has no middle name. Carey has a sister named Alison and a brother named Morgan, both of whom are about ten years older than she. As a multiracial family, the Carey household was met with racial slurs, hostility and even violence. (She claimed in the early days, crosses were burned on their lawn, their dogs were poisoned, their car was blown up, and a shot was fired through the kitchen window during mealtime). Thus, the family moved around the New York area often to find more friendly Neighborhood . The strain on the family led to the divorce of Alfred and Patricia when Mariah was three; Mariah and Morgan stayed with their mother while Alison stayed with their father. Mariah had little contact with her father, except for sporadic visits on weekends but even those dwindled as the years went by; Patricia raised Mariah, often struggling with two or three jobs and continuing to move among different towns on Long Island, but tried to provide a spirited, loving household. Carey began singing when she was three; her mother realized early on that she had tremendous potential. Carey first performed in public when she was six and first began writing songs when she was in grade school. She attended and graduated from Harborfields High School in Greenlawn, New York but was frequently absent due to efforts to break into the music business . She eventually landed a role as a backup singer for Brenda K. Starr . Then in 1988, Carey met Columbia Records executive Tommy Mottola while at a party and gave him a demo tape. He played the tape while leaving the party and was very impressed by what he heard. He returned to the party to find Carey, but she had already left. Nevertheless he tracked her down and signed her to a recording contract . This Cinderella-like story became part of the standard publicity surrounding Carey's entrance into the industry. ==Early commercial success, 1990–1992== Mariah Carey's career began with the release of her Mariah Carey (album) in 1990 in music, when she was just twenty years old. She became a commercial success almost overnight, and the album produced four huge #1 hit singles: "Vision Of Love", "Love Takes Time", "Someday", and "I Don't Wanna Cry". Beginning with this first album, Carey has been a co-writer on almost every song she has recorded throughout her career, working with songwriting partners such as Ben Marguiles, Walter Afanasieff, and many others . "Vision of Love" established the template for many of her other songs: a hint of swing (genre); a melody and arrangement designed for her voice, such that her ornamented vocals seem part of the fabric of a song rather than an add-on; lyrics organized around themes of dreams, struggle, and self-help. Carey's second album, ''Emotions (album)'', was released in the fall of 1991 in music and its first single, Emotions (Mariah Carey song), was also an American #1 hit . This song gave Carey the distinction of being the only music act ever to have had their first five singles all hit the top of the Billboard Hot 100 chart in the United States . ''Emotions'' generated two other Top 5 singles, "Can't Let Go" which peaked at #2, breaking her run of five #1 singles, and "Make It Happen". Beginning with ''Emotions'', Carey has co-produced almost all of the songs on her albums, in collaboration with her songwriting and other partners. (She fought to co-produce on her first album as well, but was only allowed to produce one song.) In 1992 in music, Carey gave her first real concert performance on the ''MTV Unplugged'' program . Her whistle register workout on "Emotions" showed that her vocal abilities were not confined to the studio . She premiered a cover of the Jackson 5's "I'll Be There (Mariah Carey song)", featuring Trey Lorenz, which was subsequently released as a single and gave her a sixth #1 hit, returning her to form . The program was popular enough that the songs were compiled onto the commercially successful album ''MTV Unplugged EP'' . Her live performance of the song ''Emotions'' on the 1991 MTV Video Music Awards was one for the record books when she hit the ear-piercing note of G#7, reportedly the highest note a vocalist has been able to produce. ==Worldwide success, 1993–1996== Carey and Tommy Mottola had become romantically involved, and in June 1993 they staged a lavish wedding in Manhattan. Carey's next studio album, ''Music Box (album)'', was released in 1993 in music, and was largely comprised of ballads . Single Certifications chart-toppers “Dreamlover” and “Hero (Mariah Carey song)” became two of Carey’s Signature Song . The latter was performed by Carey at the televised ''America: A Tribute to Heroes'' benefit in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Following was the cover of the Harry Nilsson song, "Without You (Mariah Carey song)", which became her biggest international hit and her only solo #1 in the United Kingdom . The gospel-tinged ballad "Anytime You Need A Friend" was the final single and became Carey's first single to miss the top 5 in the US, peaking at #12. Carey's ''Music Box'' hits, together with her duet with Luther Vandross of Diana Ross' "Endless Love (Mariah Carey song)", made her one of the most-played musicians on the radio in 1993 and 1994 in music . During the Christmas season of 1994, Carey released the album ''Merry Christmas (album)''. In addition to the expected covers of classics, it contained a very successful original holiday song, "All I Want For Christmas Is You", which was a Top 10 hit in many international markets. In 1995 in music, Carey released ''Daydream (album)''; this album and ''Music Box'' would eventually become Carey's two best-selling albums . ''Daydream'''s lead single, "Fantasy (Mariah Carey song)", got heavy play on urban radio , thanks to a remix which marked the start of a new trend for Carey's singles: she realized that she had a higher potential for massive crossover hits if she employed the use of various genre-specific remixes for each single . "Fantasy" became the second single (and first by a female) in American chart history to debut at #1 on the Hot 100 . It was followed by "One Sweet Day", a duet with Boyz II Men, which spent a still-record 16 consecutive weeks at #1 in the United States , beating the original record of 14 and becoming her second consecutive #1 debut and double platinum single. "Always Be My Baby" next made it to #1 , receiving widespread airplay from a variety of different radio stations . Its urban remix got heavy airplay on urban, rap and R&B radio stations . "Forever (Mariah Carey song)", "Underneath The Stars", and "Open Arms", the other singles from the album, did not make #1 but were still hits in the United States and worldwide . Between October 1, 1995 and October 1, 1996 Mariah Carey was perched at the top of the Billboard Hot 100 for one half of the year (26 weeks out of 52) with the singles from ''Daydream'' . ''Daydream'' also gave her the biggest sales week ever of her career, with 750,000 copies of the album sold in one week of December of 1995 (two months after it debuted) , a record sales week for a female artist up to that point . While Carey's music was hugely popular, it also had its detractors as well. Some thought that her compositions were too homogeneously commercial ; others thought that her lyrics were too full of repetitive, simplistic imagery (a line of criticism that would be further debated with her next few albums) ; still others thought her voice was beginning to wear down (also an observation that would intensify in the coming decade). ==Independence and new image established, 1997–2000== Carey and Mottola separated in 1997; their divorce became final the following year. Carey's 1997 album, ''Butterfly (album)'', was her second consecutive #1 debut and saw her continuing to move in an R&B/hip-hop direction. Its butterfly motif related to Carey's feelings about escaping what she saw as the controlled, cocoon-like environment of her marriage. The first single, "Honey (Mariah Carey song)", became her third #1 debut in the United States and featured a popular remix; its video displayed a much more sexual and sultry Carey than before. The autobiographical "Butterfly (Mariah Carey song)" was widely praised and “My All” became her thirteenth #1 single, an unprecedented feat for a female artist, breaking Diana Ross and the Supremes record of twelve #1 songs back in the 1960s. Two other singles were released from the album – “The Roof (Back In Time)” and “Breakdown (Mariah Carey song)” – neither made much of an impact. In 1998, Carey released the album ''Number 1's (Mariah Carey album)'', a collection of all her American #1 singles up to that point. It included four new songs, the most successful internationally being "When You Believe", a duet with alleged rival Whitney Houston on the soundtrack to the film ''The Prince of Egypt'' and the most successful at home being "I Still Believe" a cover of the 1980s song by Brenda K. Starr. Also in that year, Carey appeared on the first televised ''VH1 Divas'' program, a joint benefit concert appearance with Aretha Franklin, Céline Dion, Gloria Estefan.Carole King and Shania Twain. Carey's statuesque appearance, commanding vocal and stage presence, career twists and turns, and alleged prima donna behavior had already led many to consider her to be a diva. In 1999, Carey released ''Rainbow (album)'', which like ''Butterfly'', comprised of pop and more hip-hop oriented songs. Lead single "Heartbreaker (Mariah Carey song)" became yet another hit for her and platinum sales made it Carey’s fourteenth #1 single on the Hot 100. Airplay stats were solid, having been achieved through garnering relatively small amounts of airplay from a combination of different formats. The song was accompanied by a popular music video which cost over $2.5 million. The second single from ''Rainbow'', "Thank God I Found You", became Carey's fifteenth #1 single on the Hot 100. The song was a duet with Joe Thomas and featured 98 Degrees singing background vocals on the chorus. Like "Heartbreaker", its airplay was not impressive; however solid sales assured it to be a hit. Her duet with Westlife, “Against All Odds (Take A Look At Me Now)”, topped the charts in the UK. After having 26 consecutive songs in the Top 20 since her debut 10 years earlier, two singles from ''Rainbow'' were released as a double A-side "Crybaby" and "Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme)”; neither song really took off with an audience. Even with a commercial single release, "Crybaby" only managed to peak at #28, Carey's lowest-performing single up to that point. Carey blamed this on lack of support from Sony Music Entertainment (corporate parent of Columbia Records) and has suggested that Sony did not allow other potential singles on the album to flourish, particularly "How Much", her duet with Usher Raymond. As the millennium drew to a close, despite some warning signs Carey still appeared to be on a high, having just celebrated her 15th #1 single. She was the recipient of several awards in recognition for her decade-spanning career, including Billboard Music Awards and the World Music Award for the Best-Selling Female Artist of the Millennium. ==Personal and career struggles, 2001–2003== Carey had ended a very successful decade in music, however, things took a sudden downward turn for her. Her one victory was in finally ending her contract with Sony after which she signed a huge contract with EMI's Virgin Records. Both parties appeared to be enthusiastic about the deal and Carey received a hefty signing bonus. Just a few months later, in August, 2001 it was widely reported that Carey had suffered physical and mental exhaustion. She had left voicemail messages to her fans complaining of being overworked; her many years of concurrent singing, writing, producing, and now acting seemed to have finally taken their toll. Many speculated that the messages on her website were suicidal. (Mariah has subsequently denied this.) Carey also made a notorious appearance on TRL, where she was scantily clad and acting strangely. After that, she checked into a mental health facility and announced that she was taking a break from performing. Her acting debut, in the semi-autobiographical film ''Glitter (movie)'', was scheduled for later that month; the film was finally released on September 21, but panned by most movie critics and became a box office failure. When EMI's Virgin Records released her tenth album, ''Glitter (Mariah Carey album)''. Carey was unable to do much promotion due to her ill health and the album, having been released on a dark day in American history, September 11, 2001, peaked at #7 (Carey's weakest showing ever). Lead single "Loverboy (Mariah Carey song)" reached #2 on the Hot 100 thanks to Virgin's massive campaign to sell the single for only 99 cents across the United States, however, airplay was almost nonexistent. Shortly after the disastrous release of ''Glitter'', Sony released a semi-authorized second compilation album, the 2-CD ''Greatest Hits (Mariah Carey album)'', just before Christmas. Although the album initially failed to make an impact on the charts, it would eventually hold strong, steady sales as Carey's definitive singles collection. In January of 2002, EMI decided to part ways with Carey and they bought out her contract for $28 million, giving her another round of bad publicity. Despite this, there were several record companies vying for her signature in the months that followed and she eventually signed with Island Records' Def Jam in 2002. Meanwhile, Carey's three-year relationship with singer Luis Miguel was coming to an end. Before that, she had briefly dated baseball star Derek Jeter. Carey has stated in interviews that despite her more overtly sexual image, she is very reticent to enter an intimate relationship. In part, this may be in reaction to her sister, Alison, who is undoubtedly the Black Sheep of the Carey family. Alison was a drug addict for years, had been diagnosed with HIV and promised to write a tell-all book about how she worked as a prostitute to support Mariah in the early years of her career. Carey's family denied this, and in fact it was Mariah who took care of Alison's children when Alison lost Child custody of them. To further add to Mariah's emotional burdens, her father Alfred Roy Carey died of cancer in 2002. Carey had a prominent acting role in the independent film ''Wisegirls'' (2002); this time, she received much better reviews from critics. Mariah then released a new album and her first concept album, ''Charmbracelet'', in December 2002 as part of a new deal with Island Records; it debuted at #3. She expressed an interest in writing music that is more profoundly meaningful to her and her fans. The album included the singles "Through The Rain", "Boy (I Need You)" featuring rapping Cam'ron and a cover of Def Leppard's 1980s hit "Bringin' On The Heartbreak". Carey's devoted fan base—who sometimes go by the name "lambs"—continued to buy her singles in the thousands, but none of the singles took off with pop radio, whose playlists had become less open to maturing pop "diva" stylists such as Carey, Whitney, and Céline. [http://www.usatoday.com/life/dcovfri.htm] After a decade of one Carey hit after another, many observers came to the conclusion that Carey had lost her "radio magic." Subsequently, Carey's duet with Busta Rhymes, "I Know What You Want" (2003), fared considerably better, reaching #3 in Billboard magazine's pop singles chart; it is featured on her 13th album, ''The Remixes'', a double CD. That year, Carey was awarded "Diamond Award" by the World Music Awards show in honour of over 150 million album sales worldwide. [http://www.worldmusicawards.com/diamondaward.html] During 2003, Carey staged the "Charmbracelet World Tour". Reviews were generally favourable, although the press often focused on Carey's large travelling entourage, many pieces of luggage, hotel and dressing room demands, and other diva-like behaviours. [http://www.abstracts.net/mariah-carey/2003-10.html] ==Return of the Voice, 2004–present== Carey spent the majority of 2004 making her second concept album, ''The Emancipation of Mimi''. In the fall, she was featured on Jadakiss's hit single "U Make Me Wanna", which managed to hit the Top 10 on Billboard's R&B chart. In November, the new song "Say Something", which featured rappers Snoop Dogg and Pharrell Williams, leaked onto the Internet but was met with a lukewarm response. Another Neptunes production, "To the Floor" (formerly titled "Tonight"), which featured rapper Nelly, also leaked onto the Internet. On New Year's Eve, Carey premiered a Jermaine Dupri production at the grand opening of the Pure (nightclub) in Las Vegas, Nevada. The song "It's Like That (Mariah Carey song)" received a positive response and within weeks, it zoomed into the Top 20, peaking at #16. Media sources hailed the song as a triumphant return for Carey. Billboard wrote, "After years of underwhelming singles, Mariah Carey finally returns with a hot track..." and put it on their list of the week's essentials. The decade-old "All I Want for Christmas Is You" also gave Carey a significant radio presence toward the end of the year among the many radio stations playing all-holiday music formats; a cover of it had been featured in the British film ''Love Actually'', released the previous year. As of April 2005, Mariah Carey had earned an estimated fortune of $427 million from her record sales, world tours, and recording advances. ''The Emancipation of Mimi'' was heralded as "The Return of the Voice"—leading many to proclaim it to be her comeback album after the relatively underwhelming critical and commercial receptions to ''Glitter'' and ''Charmbracelet''. It was released on April 12, 2005, and is the story of self-discovery and remaking one's image. It received generally positive reviews, with some critics calling it Carey's best album in years. ''Mimi'' debuted at #1, with 403,775 copies sold in its first week (the highest first week tally of Carey's career) and has gone on to achieve double-platinum status. ''Mimi'' has spent nine weeks in the top 5 so far, incuding two nonconsecutive weeks at #1. The second single from the album, "We Belong Together", features an interesting blend of Quiet Storm ambience and hip hop-style singing leading to a traditional Carey climax; it has been very successful and has become Mariah's 16th #1 single on the Billboard Hot 100, her first since 2000's "Thank God I Found You". According to USA Today's airplay chart, "We Belong Together" was the first song in the three-year history of the chart to have an audience of 200 million people in a single week. ==Voice== Mariah Carey is well known for her multi-octave voice. She has a very powerful control of her whistle register and it is this rare talent that has enabled her vocal range to virtually double that of the average singer.It was rumored that she was included in the Guinness Book of Records for having hit the highest note in music history however, those rumours have not been substantiated. Carey has been classified as a 'Full Dramatic Coloratura'. This means that her voice is rangy enough to access more than one registers with equal power and ease; she can sing contralto very comfortably, as well as mezzo-soprano and soprano, and she can execute vocal acrobatics and melismas ( she has even been accused of oversinging). Carey's voice is rated as one of the greatest ever among pop singers [http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_vocalists-fe-pop.html]. In 2003 she was voted as having The greatest voice in Music on MTV's "22 Greatest Voices in Music" countdown ahead of such rivals as Pop Divas Whitney Houston; #3 and Céline Dion; #9. === Vocal Profile === * Vocal timbre: Full Dramatic Coloratura Soprano * Highest notes: G#7 (Live performance of "Emotions" at the 1991 MTV VMA's), F7 (In the song "All In Your Mind") * Lowest notes: A2, B2 (In the song "My All") * Vocal range: 5 octaves (A2-G#7) * Longest note: 20 seconds (In the song "Lead The Way".) Click on the following link to get further information on Carey's vocal capabalities and to hear her singing high notes: *[http://www.freehostz.com/notes_and_octaves/mariahcarey.html source] ==Career records and achievements== The singles marks here are based on Billboard Hot 100 chart. U.S. record sales figures are certified by RIAA and may be considered reliable. However, no process exists to certify worldwide record sales. ===Sales=== MTV_Movie_Awards_2005.">Image:MTV_movie.jpg|225 px|right|thumb|Carey at the MTV Movie Awards 2005. * Mariah Carey has sold 62 mil. albums in US and 184 mil. albums worldwide. She also sold 20 mil. singles in US and 47 mil. singles worldwide; (according to Mariah Carey Discography). This makes her one of the biggest-selling female artists of all time. * Mariah Carey is the third album biggest-selling female artist in the United States (behind Barbra Streisand, 67 million albums) and Madonna (entertainer), (63 million albums). She is the fastest selling, and has sold the most copies over the fewest albums in the least amount of time. *Mariah Carey is the fastest selling artist of all time selling an average of 12.3 million albums a year since her 1990 debut. *Mariah is the only artist to have 2 consecutive singles sell over 2 million in the US, "Fantasy", and "One Sweet Day". *Mariah has the most platinum singles in the US by a female artist (10 platinum singles). *Mariah is the only female artist to have 9 consecutive albums RIAA- certified for at least 3 million copies sold. *In the US, Mariah Carey, Madonna, Britney Spears, Céline Dion, Whitney Houston, Shania Twain, and the Dixie Chicks are the only female artists with multiple Diamond (shipped over 10 million copies) albums. *With only 15 years in the music industry Mariah has the following RIAA achievements: albums - 76 certifications, singles - 34 certications (as of April 2005); total: 110 certifications. *RIAA Certifications: albums - 14 gold, 14 platinum, 10 multi-platinum, 2 Diamond Awards; singles - 24 gold, 10 platinum, 2 multi-platinum. ===Charts=== * Mariah is the artist with the record for most consecutive years with a #1 single on "Billboard Hot 100" ; she is the only artist to have a single reach #1 on "Billboard Hot 100" for every year of the 1990s. *Mariah is the only artist to have every debut single from each album top the charts in the 90s. (Her run was broken in 2001 when Loverboy, lead single from ''Glitter (album)'', peaked at #2). *When the single "One Sweet Day" spent 16 weeks on the Billboard charts in the #1 position, it became the longest running consecutive #1 single in history, taking the title held by Whitney Houston's "I Will Always Love You", which managed 14 weeks. *Mariah Carey's "We Belong Together" officialy became the biggest song ever in the history of American radio when it reahced 192.3 million listeners and over 23,000 spins in the week ending June 7, 2005. The following week, the single broke its own record and peaked at 195.8 million listeners. *Mariah Carey's "We Belong Together" has recorded the best-ever one day listener figure after it registered with 31.2 million listeners on American radio in a single day. *Mariah is the female artist with the most cumulative weeks having a #1 single on "Billboard Hot 100" in history (65 weeks). She is second overall to Elvis Presley (80 weeks). *Mariah Carey has seen 16 singles reach #1 on the US chart; the most for any female artist in history and third overall (behind The Beatles (20) and Elvis Presley) (18). She also has three #2 singles. *When "Fantasy (Mariah Carey song)","One Sweet Day" and "Honey (Mariah Carey song)" debuted at #1 on the singles chart, Mariah became the artist with the most singles to debut at Number 1 in chart history. No other artist has achieved more than one #1 debut. *Of the 12 songs ever to debut at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, 3 of them were sung by Mariah Carey. *Mariah is also the only artist to have two consecutive #1 debuts on the US singles chart ("Fantasy" and "One Sweet Day"). *Mariah is the first female artist to have a single debut at #1 with "Fantasy". *Mariah has the record for the best debut on the Billboard hot 100 chart. Her first five singles went to #1 ("Vision Of Love","Love Takes Time","Someday","I Don't Wanna Cry" and "Emotions (Mariah Carey song)"). She later achieved another five consecutive #1 singles ("Fantasy","One Sweet Day","Always Be My Baby", "Honey", and "My All"). She is the only female artist to accomplish this feat. *Mariah Carey has 5 #1 albums on The Billboard 200 (3 debuts at #1) tied with Madonna (entertainer) (5 #1s), Janet Jackson (5 #1s), and behind Barbra Streisand (8 #1 albums). *"One Sweet Day" is rated as the #1 song of the 90s By Billboard Magazine ([http://www.rockonthenet.com/archive/top100_1990s.htm link]) ===Awards=== *In 1999, Mariah was awarded the Billboard award for "Artist of the Decade", crowning her as the biggest-selling artist of the 1990s. *Mariah received the "Legend World Music Award" in 1998 for her multimillion record sales. *Mariah is one of 3 artists (and the only female) to receive the American Music award for Special Achievement (the other two awardees are Michael Jackson and Prince). *Mariah is the first female to ever win the Diamond Award from The World Music Awards show. *The World Music Awards show also awarded Mariah the "Female Artist of the Millennium" award, declaring her as the world's biggest selling female artist of the millennium. *Mariah Carey has the most awards from "World Music Awards" show for a any female (12 awards). ===Miscellaneous=== *The music video for Heartbreaker cost over $3 million making it the most expensive female video in history (it is third overall to "Thriller (song)" and "Scream (song)", both by Michael Jackson). ==Trivia== [[Image:Mariahwhitney.JPG|frame|left|Carey recording "When You Believe" with Whitney Houston.]] *Mariah is philanthropist who has donated millions of dollars to organizations such as The Make-A-Wish Foundation, the National Adoption Center, and the Fresh Air Fund among many others. *Mariah is the founder of Camp Mariah, a serene escape located in Fishkill, New York for inner-city youth to embrace the arts, be introduced to career opportunities, and build self-esteem. *Mariah's self-titled debut album debuted on the Billboard 200 Album chart in June 1990 at #80. It reached #1 in March 1991 where it stayed for 11 weeks. *Mariah has recorded three of her songs in Spanish language: "Hero" ("Heroe"), "Open Arms" ("El Amor Que Sone"), and "My All" ("Mi Todo"). *Mariah's first public singing appearance was in 1976, when she was only 6 years old. *At the start of her career, Mariah suffered from stage fright. *Mariah is tall: 5 foot, 9 inches by most reports. *Mariah's performance trademark is making fluttering motions with her left hand while she sings. Voice teachers have commented that this actually helps one's singing technique. *At the 1996 Grammy Awards, Mariah was nominated for 6 awards. She did not win any awards that year and that marked the last time she made an appearance at the show. She has been nominated over 20 times but has only won twice in 1991. *Mariah's religion is Episcopal. *Mariah directed her first video, "Fantasy (Mariah Carey song)", in 1995. *Mariah advertised lipstick in Japan. *Mariah used to believe that the right side of her face looked better because of a mole on her left side. She has outgrown that now. *Mariah's favorite singers are Aretha Franklin and Stevie Wonder. *Mariah has stated that she dislikes her #1 single "I Don't Wanna Cry" and tries to sing it as rarely as possible. She feels that the song "doesn't have a message" or anything to say. *Mariah bought Marilyn Monroe's white lacquered baby grand piano at auction in October 1999 for $600,000 plus commission. *Mariah attended Oldfield Middle School and Harborfields High School where she was given the nickname "Mirage" because she rarely showed up for class. *Mariah was named one of People (magazine)'s '25 Most Intriguing People of 2001'. *Mariah owns a three-floor apartment in Manhattan, New York City that was featured on MTV Cribs. *Mariah will be launching a clothing and accessories lines and plans to pen a series of children's books soon. ==Awards== ''For a list of awards see: List of Mariah Carey Awards'' ==Discography== ''For a detailed discography see: Mariah Carey discography'' [http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-c/mariahcarey_main.htm More Discography] ==Filmography== Glitter_(movie)''.">Image:Mariahcareyfilm_glitter.jpg|frame|right|Carey in a scene from 2001's ''Glitter (movie)''. *''The Bachelor (movie)'' (1999 in film) as Ilana, an opera singer and one of the ex-girlfriends of Jimmie (Chris O'Donnell), who is proposed to by him as he tries to find a woman to marry so he can inherit his father's fortune. *''Glitter (movie)'' (2001 in film) as Billie Frank, a struggling singer and songwriter who breaks into the music industry after she meets disc jockey Julian Dice (Max Beesley). *''Wisegirls'' (2002 in film) as Raychel, a tough-talking waitress at an Italian restaurant run by mobsters. *''Death of a Dynasty'' (2003 in film) as Herself. *''State Property 2'' (2005 in film) as Professionally Dressed Woman. *''The Sweet Science'' (2006 in film, development hell) as an unknown but talented boxing who is recruited by a determined female boxing manager. ==See also== *Biggest-selling female musician *Best selling music artists - World's top-selling music artists chart. ==References== # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # [http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-c/mariahcarey_main.htm Mariah Carey]. 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''Rock On The Net''. Retrieved June 22, 2005. # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # [http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-c/mariahcarey_main.htm Mariah Carey]. ''Rock On The Net''. Retrieved June 22, 2005. # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # [http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-c/mariahcarey_main.htm Mariah Carey]. ''Rock On The Net''. Retrieved June 22, 2005. # Ibid. # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' ==External links== * [http://www.mariahcarey.com/ MariahCarey.com] - Official site * [http://dmoz.org/Arts/Music/Bands_and_Artists/C/Carey,_Mariah/ Dmoz.Org] - Various Mariah Carey's sites. * [http://www.celebritypro.com/news/mariah_carey CelebrityPro.Com] - Mariah Carey's news. * [http://www.mariahdaily.com/ Mariah Daily] - Mariah Carey fan-website. * [http://mariahcareyweb.yaia.com/lyrics.html Lyrics by album] Mariah_Carey 1970 births Female singers American pop singers American songwriters Record producers R&B musicians Whistle register singers
==POV problems and factual inaccuracies== ''The discussions in this section concern issues with the article's POV (see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view) and factual accuracy (see Wikipedia:Verifiability). Please put other questions or comments about the article's content in new sections at the bottom of the page.'' ===User:Antifamilymang questions vocal range claims=== I'm new at this, so feel free to ignore me if I'm being presumptuous. The mention at the top of the article of the extent of Carey's vocal range seems unsubstantiated and unbelievable. I say this for the following reasons. First, while publicity material and various entertainment outlets have claimed a variety of impressive ranges for her, they tend to be inconsistent, ranging from 5 to 7 octaves. Given that the "default" range for an opera singer can be taken to be 2 - 2.5 octaves, any of those numbers would be utterly extraordinary, indeed perhaps unique in the known history of vocal music. Further, claims of impressively wide ranges are routine for female pop singers - witness the statement, easily discovered by a Google search, that Aretha Franklin has a four octave range, something she has never exhibited on recordings. In any case, since the claims tend to be both amazing and inconsistent, they should be viewed with suspicion. Further evidence comes from her music. When I was younger I was a fan of hers, and I've read the published sheet music for all her albums. The highest note called for is the C above soprano high C (in "Emotions") and the lowest is the bottom G (below middle C). Though especially impressive on top, this is far short of five octaves. Given her partiality to the extremes of pitch, it seems exceedingly unlikely that she would have left an octave or more of her range unexplored by now. Given this evidence, I modified the article slightly. I was reticent to do so myself without giving my reasons. Thanks. User:Antifamilymang 06:42, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC) ===User:David Gerard complains about POV in article=== Grossly POV. Reads like a press release. - User:David Gerard 00:14, Jan 15, 2004 (UTC) ===User:Alensha asks why Glitter (Mariah Carey album) is considered unsuccessful=== "her commercially unsuccessful album "Glitter" -- unsuccessful, compared to what? 3,5 million copies of Glitter were sold. Anastacia sold about 3 million of each of her albums. Alicia's, Christina's and Britney's recent albums are around 3 million too. Even the overexposed Beyonce sold only about 4 million. You can't say all artists are commercially unsuccessful just because in the age of p2p softwares it's impossible to sell as much as in the early 90s. User:Alensha 22:11, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC) ===User:Alai thinks article still reads like "promo-flak"=== Could do with being rewritten from top to bottom. For starters, I've removed the "seven octaves" range the article seems to feel is the upper end of "accurate", which there's no basis cited for. I also have my doubts whether anyone claiming "8 full octaves" is of encyclopedic notability, even as wild speculation. Source? (If anyone actually did say this, it might be cruel and unusual to quote that as saying so.) That's greater than the range of a ''piano'', or of any ''two'' people one cares to name. User:Alai 06:15, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC) ===jls rewrites article and replies to User:Alai=== I've tried doing some rewriting, especially of the intro and early life sections and spots here and there in the main sections. Surprisingly some of the key details of her career had been left out, such as her songwriting, her discovery by Mottola story, her role in ''Wisegirls''. The article still suffers from too much detail in the main sections; it's easy to lose the forest for the trees. And the awards section is also too long and hard to read, and may be a copyright violation of some web site as well? Can't tell for sure. -- jls 1 April 2005 ===User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak points out inaccuracies in chart positions=== There are two inaccuaricies with chart positions. Mariah had 15 #1s on the Hot 100 from 1990 - 2000. They were 1) Vision Of Love 2) Love Takes Time 3) Someday 4) I Don't Wanna Cry 5) Emotions 6) I'll Be There 7) Dreamlover 8) Hero 9) Fantasy 10) One Sweet Day 11) Always Be My Baby 12) Honey 13) My All 14) Heartbreaker 15) Thank God I Found You Why is "Whenever You Call" listed as a #1 US single? Also, "Forever" in the Hit Singles section is listed as #9 (airplay). In the biography section, it says it made the Top 10, but makes it sound like it made the Top 10 of the Hot 100. Did it make #9 on the Top 100 Airplay Chart or on the Hot 100? A correction will either need to be made in the Hit Singles listing or a justification will need to be made in the biography. User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak 18:53, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC) ===M complains of continuing POV problems with article=== Carey has many fans, but this article suffers from far too much idolatry. Contributions are fawning and over-the-top, like a press release from Mariah's own agent. The article needs monitoring to keep things encyclopedic and to avoid POV inanities. I respect Carey's considerable talents, but her fans here are her worst enemies. --M. ===User:DropDeadGorgias tells M to Wikipedia:Be bold=== Then your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to Wikipedia:Be bold. Feel free to tone down the POV wherever you see it to be effusive or plagued by boosterism. After reading through the article I tend to agree that the article glosses over her more questionable activities (i.e. her casting couch relationship with Tommy Motola), and the cancellation of EMI contract, and the complete media debacle that was Glitter. --User:DropDeadGorgias User_talk:DropDeadGorgias 16:58, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC) ===jls comments on the Carey-Mottola professional relationship=== I'm not sure the relationship with Mottola was a casting couch one. That term often implies someone needed help to land a position or role or deal that they wouldn't have obtained or been qualified for otherwise. Mariah however was obviously a super-talent and didn't need such help; Mottola had already decided he was interested in signing her based on the demo tape before he ever saw her in person. Rather, I have the impression that Mottola served more of a Svengali role in guiding her career, public persona, videos, etc. Similar examples are Sonny Bono with Cher and Mutt Lange with Shania Twain. Carey has said he was very controlling in the marriage and that probably spilled over into the singer-record exec relationship as well. --jls 19 Apr 2005 ===An anonymous user thinks efforts to reduce idolatry would be "futile"=== Your mission, should you choose to accept it, would be futile. One look at the History shows there's an unlimited supply of people willing to put back in the idolatry even if you take it out. Unless you're willing to buy into an edit war without end, give up now. ===M agrees with anonymous user=== True. After fixing grammar and overwrought prose, I see that Carey's fans keep coming back with more illiterate contributions. Carey graduated from high school, but some of her fans did not. --M. ===User:DropDeadGorgias comments on "gushy" section title=== :"Mariah Carey Conquers the Globe"? Yeah... I guess I see that POV thing you were talking about. I changed that section header to be a little less gushy. --User:DropDeadGorgias User_talk:DropDeadGorgias 16:54, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC) ===M is impressed by User:DropDeadGorgias's changes=== Thanks, DDG. I like your changes. As you can see, I wasn't exaggerating. You should have read the article just 10 days ago—it was like something from ''Entertainment Tonight''. Very lowbrow. --M. ===jls comments on album sales for Carey and other female artists=== Take a look at [http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21443&start=0] from last year and keep scrolling. Apparently some people spend their lives trying to add up 30 countries' worth of possibly accurate album sales info, to see if Mariah or Whitney or Celine or Madonna or god knows whom is the overall leader in female artist album sales. These must be the same people who then edit WP articles back and forth with whatever figures match their agendas. Get a life! Who cares who has the most sales!?!? These women are each tremendously successful and have each sold a mountain of records. Isn't that enough? Even if you could figure out who's top right now, it would change over time as new albums come out and as back catalog sales rates change. --jls 22 Apr 2005 ===An anonymous user insists the article is correct=== *she said she has sold 155 million albums, it is the figuere use on the news the radio, her website, and everyywhere she is introduced.... gt over it...stop trying to find something wrongt with mariah and go live a life....some people.. the article is correct, and you all need to stop crying over her achievement amd realized that she worked hard and has done something with her life... stop arguing with the truth.. her range is 5 ovtave, she IS the third most selling female artist of the world, and she IS the best-selling... celine sold about what she did with more than twice the amount os albums... ===An anonymous user questions Carey's claim that car was blown up=== I added "She CLAIMED" cars blown up in her early life section: No police report, neighbors say it never happened. Cars blowing up is something that get noticed. Suffolk COunty NY where she grew up is a very LIBERAL county run by the Democratic Party. ===Another anonymous user comments on Suffolk County=== Great, the one thing this article was missing was political diatribes! Actually, Suffolk County was long a GOP bastion (read Suffolk County, New York#Law and government; the shift to the Dems has been recent, from the 1990s on, well after the period in question). That said, confirmation that these racist actions took place would be good to have. 9 May 2005 ===The first anonymous user says Carey's childhood stories are made up=== Suffolk County was and is liberal. It is the bastion of liberal Republicans. When she was a kid, the Republican County Execuctive was GAY, that openly walked around with his boyfriend. Later when she was a teen the County Exectutive was a democrat. The first gay resort community ,Cherry Grove, is in Suffolk. Here is something that I got from a former classmate: "That is so far beyond the truth it's not funny. She wasn't being bullied she was DOING the bullying and I was one of her victims. I graduated with her from Harborfields High School in Greenlawn, New York in 1987. Yes her father was a prominent black lawyer and her mother was an opera singer. She was the nastiest person in the school and I didn't like her than and I'm not very fond of her now. We had our 10 year high school reunion and she never showed up." All her schools had students of many races. SHe said "Cars" getting blown up. There is no police reports about these. Wouldn't the family try to get insurance? A police report would be required by the insurance company. In other words, her childhood stories are BS and made up. ===User:RickK thinks POV language needs toning down=== The POV language really needs to be toned down. All of the unsupported range comments and the "amazing voice" stuff needs to be cleaned up. User:RickKUser talk:RickK 23:41, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC) ===User:Wasted Time R says Carey idolators will revert any changes=== Well, yes, it does. Go ahead, do it yourself, then see how long it takes for it to get put back in. The Mariah idolaters out there are greater in number and more fervent in purpose than the NPOV encyclopaedists. This is one case where the WP model breaks down. User:Wasted Time R 01:45, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===An anonymous user tries to explain vocal range=== People, there is nothing wrong with this article. It is impossible for people to be objective and unbiased when writing an article like this. *Firstly, about her vocal range: *Mariah has over 4.5 octave range. If you click on the link at her vocal profile, you get proof. She has hit the E7 in her song 'Emotions' and the G#7 on stage, believe me; i play the piano. Secondly, if you listen to the end of "My all", you would see that definitely is a B2 and according to rumors, she has gone a note lower on stage (A2); it is plausable from listening to the deep pitch at which she speaks. In addition, in all fairness, that vocal range is quite possibly the largest of any pop artist. The reason many opera singers have a 2.5 range is that they might sing high but the do not go very deep. Mariah sings freakishly high and then deep into the baritone range; before your challenge my credibility' listen to "My all" paying close attention to the last held note. *Secondly, her album sales are quite fine. they are not embellished; they are just estimates since no worldwide tracking exists. *LEAVE THE ARTICLE ALONE* *EVERYONE'S ARTICLE IS OPIONATED AND BIASED IN SOME WAY AND WE ARE NOT ACTING OR QUESTIONNING IT ARE WE? ===User:FuriousFreddy suggests a Wikipedia:Requests for comment=== Um...I think this my be going overboard just a tad. We might need to file a RfC on this...it's getting rather out of hand. --User:FuriousFreddy 16:40, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:Extraordinary Machine restores Wikipedia:NPOV dispute/Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute dispute notice=== Without making any effort to clear up this POV-laden and citation-less article, I see User:70.25.131.237 has chosen to remove the neutrality and factual accuracy dispute notice. I have since restored it. That notice actually made it clear to both readers and contributors that there is a problem that needs to be addressed, and who knows, there might be somebody out there reading who can provide sources for the statements and facts presented in the article. To everybody else, please don't remove it again until the article is well on its way to becoming Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Verifiability. Thank you. User:Extraordinary Machine 20:32, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===70.25.131.237 insists there is nothing wrong=== I've ventured on this site numerous times and Ive always seen signs posted at Carey's section of the encyclopedia about its neutrality etc and Ive always asked myself, "Why is this?". People, there is nothing wrong with the article. Nothing is biased, there are good and bad points. Just because someone has an illustrious career, that does not mean that one is biased to write about it. Carey vocal range is verified to be true. Her biography is correct so i dont know what the problem is. You people are making a mountain out of a mole hill. It is not possible for an article to be fully objective, thats why it is called an 'article'. Leave the article alone. Madonna's article needs editing and so does many other singers but you do not focus on that do you? Has anyone provided a source for Madonna's discography? This encyclopedia keeps claiming that "According to Warner Bross, Madonna has sold 250 million records..." and Ive been on Warner Bros' official site numerous times and I still cant find that official statement. Did anyone provide a link? No Does anyone ask for a link to be provided? No they do not because everyone are too busy making a fuss about Mariah Carey. These are things i keep talking about. If someone says "A" about Mariah, all of you want to know why was the "A" said and if there is a source provided to prove that the "A" is true. You will even put up "Neutrality and factuality" sign. On the other hand, if someone says "B" about any other singers everyone accepts it as true without giving it a second thought. LEAVE THE ARTICLE ALONE. DONT BLAME MARIAH FOR HER LUCRATIVE CAREER and dont blame people for writing about it!!! *Is this what you want?: *"Mariah was a skank who grew up on the streets of Huntington, New York. Whoring her way through highschool, she was able to pass courses by sleeping with the teachers since she hardly made appearances in class. She has been hailed as a "has-been" and her vocal range is as small as Brtiney Spear's" *I bet you if this was apart of the article, then no one would have a thing to say. COME ON PEOPLE, THE ARTICLE IS WELL WRITTEN. YOU ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SEEM LIKE FOOLS WHEN YOU TAKE A WELL WRITTEN ARTICLE AND TRY TO EDIT IT. ===User:Extraordinary Machine restores notice and responds to anonymous user=== And once again, User:70.25.131.237 has removed the neutrality and factual accuracy dispute notice, all the while adding unverified statements to the article, such as ''"Carey has been classified as a 'Full Dramatic Coloratura'. This means that her voice is rangy enough to access more than one registers with equal ease. She can sing contralto very comfortably, sing over the orchestra, and execute vocal acrobatics and melismas."'' Carey's "lucrative career" isn't the issue here, it's the fact that many people (including you) have added countless figures and statements and who knows what else to the article without ever backing them up with a single reference or citation. I've restored the NPOV/factual accuracy notice again, please do not remove it until the problems pointed out on this talk page have been resolved. Thank you. User:Extraordinary Machine 23:06, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:Wasted Time R comments on state of the article and makes a proposal=== My judgement is that the intro and the history sections (up through Return of the Voice) are in reasonably good shape. I think they are factual and while a little bit fannish in tone sometimes, are still fairly neutral, pointing out Carey's failures and limitations as well as her successes. Does Extraordinary Machine concur with this, and if not, what in particular needs changing? On the other hand, I think the Voice, Career Records and Achievements, and Trivia sections and subsections are a disaster, full of fawning Carey idolatory. Ironically, the Records section actually does Carey a disservice, since it buries some truly oustanding achievements (16 #1 singles; secondmost cumulative #1 weeks) in the middle of a pile of trivia that only charts freaks could care about (one day listener figures, number of consecutive albums by a female that have sold more than 3 million, etc.). One possibility would be to move the bad sections I named into the existing List of Mariah Carey Awards article (renamed to List of Mariah Carey Awards and Achievements, or something like that). Then the idolators can fill that up to their hearts' content, while the main article stays in a reasonable shape. User:Wasted Time R 00:35, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:Extraordinary Machine restores notice and responds to User:Wasted Time R=== I have performed some work setting up inline citations so that people can start adding references. I only did this up until the Worldwide success, 1993–1996 section, for reasons I will explain below. Here are some of the POV statements (since changed to NPOV) that I weeded out: * ''"Vision of Love" established the template for her best songs: a hint of swing (genre); a melody and arrangement designed for her voice, such that her ornamented vocals seem part of the fabric of a song rather than an add-on; lyrics organized around themes of dreams, struggle, and self-help.'' (Early commercial success, 1990-1992) * ''She premiered a heartfelt cover of the Jackson 5's "I'll Be There (Mariah Carey song)", featuring Trey Lorenz, which was subsequently released as a single and gave her a sixth #1 hit, returning her to form.'' (Early commercial success, 1990-1992) * ''The latter gained an added resonance in the public mind when Carey performed it at the televised ''America: A Tribute to Heroes'' benefit in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks.'' (Worldwide success, 1993-1996) Now don't get me wrong: I am a Mariah fan (albeit a casual one), and would like to see her Wikipedia article in the best state possible. But looking at other people's comments on this talk page, I have a feeling the more devoted Mariah "lambs" will just revert any attempts to change POV in favour of Mariah to NPOV, and continue to claim that there is nothing wrong with the article as it is. I have had to restore the dispute notice four times since I first added it, while those who removed it in the first place continue to contribute to the article without providing references or toning down POV language. The number of "''fill in!''" messages I had to insert should tell anybody this article needs A LOT of work. And while I like your suggestion, I think that even if a separate article is created for the Mariah idolaters to POV to their hearts' content, there will still be words like "heartfelt" and "best" creeping in again on this one. I will try to finish the inline citations tomorrow, but after that, I'm not sure if I'll bother contributing significantly to this article any longer. User:Extraordinary Machine 21:41, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===70.25.131.237 repeats that the article is fine=== There is absolutely nothing wrong with this article. It is extremely informative and well written. The fact is that Mariah has had an extremely successful career. People seem to have a problem with this, so they are saying the article is biased. I completely agree with the post "An anonymous user insists there is nothing wrong". People only seem to have a problem when it has to do with Mariah. Why don't you fools stop getting your panties in a bunch over nothing and let the article be! ===User:Hall Monitor disagrees with 70.25.131.237=== Extraordinary Machine is right. The article could use improvement, and undoubtedly will be improved over time to address the slight POV and accuracy issues which creep in from fans and the like. User:Hall Monitor 21:53, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===Wasted Time R responds to Extraordinary Machine's three NPOV examples=== Well, I gotta admit, the three NPOV wordings you object to all originated with ''me''! (in my former incarnation), and not from any of the Mariah superfans. (I'm a moderate Mariah fan, who got sucked into this article for reasons I can no longer remember or fathom :-) I guess my NPOV definition isn't as strong as some WPians'. In particular, I think it's possible to objectively say some works of art are "better" than others. So, Dvorak's ''New World Symphony'' is better than most of his earlier symphonies, and the Beatles' "Let It Be" is better than their "Mr. Moonlight", and Mariah's "Vision of Love" is better than many of her sappier other songs. How can I prove this? I can't, lacking some comprehensive critics' survey of the artist's work, which maybe exists for Dvorak and the Beatles but doesn't for Mariah. However, objectively, you can make the case that when a song is the title song and first single off an album, that means that the artist, producer, and record company all believe it's the best song on that album too. Ditto for "Emotions" on her second album. Both of these songs have a swing and a dynamism that her other work (even ones that made #1) often lack. :Oops, "Vision of Love" isn't a title song. Similarly, I believe it's often possible to tell when an artist really means something and when they're faking it. In her Unplugged intro to "I'll Be There", she said it was always one of her favorite songs, and the way that she sang it (and the whole band arranged it, with care and taste) convinced me (and many listeners) that she meant it. Hence "heartfelt". As for "Hero"'s post-9/11 resonance, this I would also argue is objective. At least in the NYC area, it's the old song of hers that gets the most oldies airplay by far, and both it and Enrique Inglesias's unrelated "Hero" did pick up an added meaning to many listeners after 9/11. I guess the bottom line for me is that full-blown NPOV concern can often drain the life out of an article. But I realize this runs counter to WP dogma. User:Wasted Time R 01:07, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===Wasted Time R responds to Extraordinary Machine's inline citations gambit=== I realize what you're trying to get at here, but I think you went way overboard. How many WP articles on ''any'' subject, much less popular music, have this many inline references? The density of footnotes that you've established is something normally only seen in Law Review articles! A lot of what you want footnoted can be verified by looking at the albums themselves (Mariah's writing and producing credits) and at any Billboard top hits reference book (which singles made #1). That she co-writes and co-produces her material, and that she's had 16 Billboard Hot 100 #1 hits, are the kind of facts that aren't in dispute by anyone! A lot of the basic biographical material is on Mariah's website and any number of other online websites. That Mottola discovered her at a party, that they got involved, that they spent a ton of money on the wedding, that they got divorced, none of these facts are in dispute either. Better would be to focus the references on the facts that ''are'' in dispute, such as her vocal range, her record sales, what criticisms have been made of her music, what's the highest note she's ever sung (it was G#9 in 1990 in her shower! dogs came running from three counties!), and so forth. User:Wasted Time R 01:23, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) === 70.25.131.237 says "EVERYONE READ NOW" === Ive been on this Wikipedia page numerous times and Ive always seen neutrality sign on Mariah's page and ive always asked myself, Why is this? Ive read the article numerous times and I have to say nothing is wrong with it. I visited many other pages within this encyclopedia and Ive seen many BIASED article but no one cares about that. All you guys care about is editing Mariah article. The point is, Mariah has had a very successful music career and there is nothing wrong with people writing about it. There is GOOD and the Bad in this article, nothing is biased. Alot of other people's article are REALLY BIASED i.e.: Madonna, and you guys don’t care about that, all you guys care about is EDITING MARIAH'S ARTICLE CAUSE SHE IS TOO SUCCESSFUL. Let me use and example: *Does anyone try to provide a source to the official WARNER BROS statement that claims that Madonna ha sold 250 million records? Ive been on their site numerous times and have yet to see that statement. You guys need to check that out- there has been rumours that it isnt true: NOT EVEN HER OFFICIAL WEBSIT CLAIMS THIS. Now if someone said the same thing about Mariah, you guys would ask for source or put up neutrality sign and all other crap. It is impossible for some one to remain fully objective while writing an article. Nothing is wrong with documenting success. There is no idolatry; IT JUST THE TRUTH!!!!!. === Wasted Time R responds to 70.25.131.237's Madonna rant === There is a whole separate article, Biggest-selling female musician, devoted to the who-has-sold-the-most-records argument. Personally, I don't care! Mariah and Madonna are apples and oranges, pointless to compare. Technically Mariah is a much better singer, but Madonna has had a much greater cultural impact. Mariah is better at songwriting and producing, while Madonna has done more acting. Leave it be. (FWIW, the quality of the Madonna article seems pretty good to me, although I haven't looked at it closely.) 70.25.131.237, are you from Germany? English obviously isn't your first language, and I've been trying to figure out from your sentence structure and capitalization what is. User:Wasted Time R 10:26, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===70.25.131.237 responds to Wasted Time R=== *I dont recall asking you anything. *Did I ask if you cared? *BETTER YET, do i care if you care? *No, I don't Your statement about my Grammar was such a FLOP, I ALMOST FEEL SORRY FOR YOU, BUT ILL GIVE YOU A "C+" FOR EFFORT (BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME). TRYING TO insulting my Grammar gets you nowhere (yes, I might mess up while I type fast); it just makes you seem like a damn fool!!! I have other words for you too, but PETA prohibits me from being cruel to dumb animals. ===User:Extraordinary Machine responds to 70.25.131.237=== 70.25.131.237, I'd wager that most of us here are Mariah fans, that's why we want this article to be as factually accurate (i.e. verifiable and backed up by citations/references) and NPOV (in other words, no idolatry!) as possible. The Madonna (entertainer) article doesn't have anything to do with this. Why are you turning the development of a Wikipedia article on Mariah Carey into a "success" battle between her and other female singers? Oh, and insulting people instead of listening to them will not get you very far here. User:Extraordinary Machine 19:31, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:Extraordinary Machine responds to User:Wasted Time R=== I think that statements and words like "her best songs", "heartfelt" and "added resonance" can be okay, as long as they include quotes from music critics and the like (e.g. ''She premiered a cover of the Jackson 5's "I'll Be There", featuring Trey Lorenz, which was described as "heartfelt" by Some Critic. It was subsequently released as a single and gave her a sixth #1 hit, returning her to form.'') See Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Characterizing_opinions_of_people.27s_work for more information. I don't want to drain the life out of the article, just make it sound less like an essay a Mariah fan wrote for school. As for the inline citations, I am in the mindset that no Wikipedia article can "over-reference". Many otherwise great articles have been criticised for having no references, and I want to make sure that facts presented on Wikipedia can be verified as just that, facts. See my reference work on the KaDee_Strickland#References article, which I will be inserting inline citations into soon. See also Wikipedia:Cite_sources#When_there_is_no_factual_dispute. The fact that she has had sixteen #1 Billboard Hot 100 hits may be common knowledge and listed on every other Mariah site now, but what about in ten, twenty or even fifty years? People reading this article then might like to know where the information came from. User:Extraordinary Machine 19:31, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===Wasted Time R acknowledges inability to meet WP requirements=== Well, E Machine, I admire your dedication to doing these articles The Right WP Way. But it's a lot of work to do it so, and if I'm going to write an academic-quality article, then I'm better spending the time writing a couple of real-journal computer science articles I have on the back burner, not this. And the Right WP Way is also not very creative: I can't say a Mariah performance is heartfelt, even if it's clear to me that it is and no other editors object, but rather I have to find someone else who said it was heartfelt and reference them. That one other person's opinion thereby becomes more important than the collective opinion of all the WP editors. I know this is the logical outgrowth of the WP "No original research" dictum, but it doesn't seem reasonable to me. And the thing with WP is, even if you put all the research and writing and annotation work into writing a really good article, you've still got to put it on your watchlist and constantly fight against changes that will degrade the article and you have to maintain this fight indefinitely. With the more obscure subjects you've maybe got a decent chance to be able to do this, but Mariah is anything but obscure. Good luck nevertheless! User:Wasted Time R 01:47, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC) ==Other== ===User:Nrl adds Sonic Youth track mention=== I added (although I stupidly wasn't logged in at the time) a mention of the Sonic Youth track about Mariah to the page, feel free to remove it if you don't feel it is relevant --User:Nrl 16:44, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC) ===An anonymous user adds biographical tidbits=== Some useful biography tidbits that I can't organize well on my own: * Birthplace: Huntington Bay, N.Y. * Parents: Patricia Hickey and Alfred Roy Carey (father deceased) * Graduated from High School: Greenlawn, N.Y. * Siblings: One older brother, Morgan & one older sister, Alison * Odd Jobs: Waitress & Hairstylist * Year Mariah first sang in public: 1976 ===User:KelisFan2K5 enquiries about release of The Emancipation of Mimi=== The reason I put "April 12, 2005 (tentative)" is because the release date MAY change again. Hopefully Emancipation of Mimi will be released, and not get cancelled. --User:KelisFan2K5 13:14, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) ===User:Philwelch adds article to Gay icons category=== In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. User:Philwelch 20:15, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC) ===User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak proposes re-structure=== Whilst the article I believe is of good quality, I think the actual biography section lacks detail in some areas, and instead of being split into 2 sections, should be split into shorter time periods or even by album if enough relevant material can be found. I wasn't going to start doing this without thinking what other people thought. User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak 19:34, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC) ===jls requests references and suggests section layout=== :The first thing that needs to happen is for the two people doing it, to stop the silly edit wars going on about how many of each album she has sold worldwide. References are needed! I added a reference for the WMA Diamond Award -- it's for selling over 100 million albums worldwide -- she may have sold more than that, and her website says it was for 150 million, but in fact that award was for 100 million. :As for splitting the article into more sections, I wouldn't go album by album, that's too literal. It's best if each section has some thematic unity to it, as part of telling the story of Carey's career and music. The current two-section theme is the obvious breakdown, splitting at the point where her career hit a huge bump in the road, but if you have a better thematic breakdown in mind, go for it. -- jls 8 Apr 2005 ===User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak makes section title suggestions=== Agreed, yes, by album by album is rather silly. Perhaps something along the lines of this:- * Early Life & Family (1970 - 1990) * Early Commercial Success (1990 - 1992) - Chronicling the releases of her first 2 albums as they were slightly similar * Mariah Goes Unplugged (1992) - Discussing her appearance of MTV unplugged and the success it was - album released and US #1 single with cover of "I'll Be There", also discuss the TV show they made about her showing she was a real person as well as a celebrity (I can't remember the name, but it featured her friends and family) * Global Fame (1993 - 1994) - Chronicling the massive success of ''Music Box'' and also the great success of ''Merry Christmas'' for simply a Christmas album * Mega Stardom - Diva Status Established (1995 - 1998) - Chronicling the releases of ''Daydream'', ''Butterfly'', ''#1's'' (showing how a #1 album showed off her true stardom) - also showing her greater focus on image, presentation and sexuality * Slow Decline (1999 - 2001) Chronicling the release of ''Rainbow'', ''Glitter'' and ''Greatest Hits'' * Waning Popularity (2002 - 2004) Chronicling the release of ''Charmbracelet'' & ''The Remixes'', focusing on how she only made guest appearances in 2004 * Resurgence (2005 - Present) ''The Emancipation Of Mimi'' and thus forward Obviously, some of the titles don't look that great, so please tell me what you think of this structure and change any title names. I won't go ahead with this plan until Im sure someone else approves. User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak 19:05, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC) ===jls comments on section title suggestions=== Hmmm. I'd fold the Unplugged section into Early Commercial Success, since that show was still early in her career and mostly recapped the first two albums. Global Fame and Mega Stardom need different titles; maybe the break/theme should be when she and Mottola split up, is that when her image/presentation really changed direction? Also, Slow Decline and Waning Popularity sound like the same thing, need retitling. Finally, Resurgence is predicting the future, wait a while and see what happens with the new album. My guess is it won't do much better than Charmbracelet, but who knows. -- jls 11 Apr 2005 ===An anonymous user congratulates User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak on new articles=== Good work getting the awards and discography into separate articles. ===User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak says thanks=== Thank you very much. I thought it would be a good move as the article size was over 32Kb and it would prevent the endless edits trying to keep the article short. Plus the article is on her, this gives more room for detail in the biography section. User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak 17:00, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) ===An anonymous user points out that article size remains a problem=== Alas, hopes that the split-out would reduce the churn on the main article appear to have been for naught. ===User:Wasted Time R thinks article needs images=== To have only one image/photo in an article this long is unusual. User:Wasted Time R 10:54, 19 May 2005 (UTC) ===User:Wasted Time R says it now has too many=== Now I think it has too many. In particular too many CD cover images, which make the text too visually choppy. Maybe just have one image per section? User:Wasted Time R 14:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak thinks album images are a good idea=== I actually think the album thing is quite a good idea, it gives a little visual display of the main concentration of the article. User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak 16:38, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:RickK agrees there are too many images=== I agree with Wasted Time, there are now far too many images. And what's the copyright status of the pics which are not album covers? User:RickKUser talk:RickK 23:39, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC) ===An anonymous user wants to know more about Carey as a person=== Ok, I know I'm not exactly one to talk, having edited this article a lot of times to add random chart facts about Mariah's songs and albums, but I think the main problem with this article is that it has so much detail on her songs, albums and chart positions and doesn't actually tell us ENOUGH about her. After all, this is meant to be a biography about Carey and not a story chronicling her chart success as a musician. The career records and achievements section already details enough and with all her singles having their own articles and the albums' articles slowly also being expanded, there should be more on her in the article. Do you guys agree, or am I being too critical? Any proposition on where we can actually get more information on her? ===User:Wasted Time R agrees the article only presents Carey as a musician=== Yes. Right now the overall theme of the Mariah Carey articles is: ''She was put on earth to make #1 hits. Every time she got a #1 it added to her incredible success as the best selling female something-or-other ever. Every time she didn't get a #1 she and her record company plunged into despair because her career might be over.'' If this is really what her life was like, it's a wonder she didn't have a breakdown long before 2001! User:Wasted Time R 21:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC) ===User:Wasted Time R thinks record sales won't be as important in the future=== Another way of looking at this is to imagine someone is reading an article ten years from now, or fifty years from now. What would be important to get across? If you don't know much now about, say, Frank Sinatra, would you really care that "All The Way" only made #2 in 1957 and not #1? I'm not sure anyone even remembers that record nowadays, whereas Sinatra signature songs like "My Way" and "Summer Wind" and "It Was A Very Good Year" never got into the top 20. What will Mariah Carey be remembered for in the future? Probably for her voice, and the way that she wrote and produced records that naturally took advantage of that voice, even though the substance of her songs was not always that deep. Surely it will not matter in the future that some fourth single off a successful album in 1994 didn't make the top 10, or that in May 2005 she was in a charts battle with "Hollaback Girl"! User:Wasted Time R 00:31, 24 May 2005 (UTC) ===An anonymous user wants image to be inserted in Wikipedia Commons=== Please, can you insert the image "Image:Mariahcarey0405.jpg" in Wikipedia Commons? ===User:Mseames suggests sections for singles, chart positions, and videos=== I think the article is written just fine. A bit glowing, yes but, Mariah has had amazing successs. There is nothing wrong with documenting her successs. I do dispute the 7 octave range- that is humanly impossible. I think whoever said 4.5 is pushing it a bit- but it is a bit more reasonable/logical. I don't think it is humanly possible to hit a G7. I have seen that issue hotly disputed everywhere. I think there should be a "Singles" section, to further document her singles and their relevant chart positions. Also, I'm thinking of a list of her videos, including remix videos, should be incorporated into the page because she has so many of them. I believe she has more videos than any other artist. I think we should list the chart positions for other major countries as well. (UK, Australia, Canada, Japan, etc.) It would be interesting. User:Mseames ===User:Wasted Time R points out already existing article=== ''Yo!'' There's already more info on Mariah singles and videos than you could possibly imagine. See Mariah Carey discography, scroll down, and follow the singles links. User:Wasted Time R 16:34, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:Mseames instead suggests article dedicated to Carey's unreleased songs=== I almost didn't see you, right there smack in the middle. LOL. Anyway, I see what you mean. That is too much information to incorporate into the page, as I was origially thinking to do. Instead, I am now thinking of making a seperate page, similiar to the one for Madonna, Unreleased Madonna songs. Mariah has many non-album tracks and songs released overseas or added to overseas CDs that were not released to the USA. Another bamboozling project could be to list all of her remixes. There are hundreds of her remixes. And I still see no listings of all of her videos. User:Mseames ===User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak refers User:Mseames to already existing article=== See List Of Songs By Mariah Carey. User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak 08:14, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:Mseames says thanks=== Thanks to User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak for that link. Now, is there any links for Mariah video lists or remix lists? User:Mseames 05:09, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
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Mariah Carey (born March 27, 1970 in Huntington_(CDP),_New_York) is an United States popular music singer, songwriter, record producer, Music Video Director, diva, actor, and philanthropist who rose to prominence in the 1990s. Carey's music has been influenced by rhythm and blues, pop music, gospel music, hip hop music, dance music, and rock and roll. She is credited as having a 5 (number)-octave vocal range, possibly the greatest range of any popular singer since Minnie Riperton in the 1970s . She makes lavish use of melisma; her vocal swoops and trills are easily recognizable features of her sound. Surveys have placed Carey as one of the Biggest-selling female musician . She was the top-selling recording artist of any kind during the 1990s and her singles have spent more weeks at #1 than any other living artist in Billboard magazine history . Carey's vocal style influenced a generation of singers who came after her, including Christina Aguilera and Beyoncé Knowles as well as many ''American Idol'' competitors. ==Early life and family, 1970–1990== Carey is the third and youngest child of Patricia Hickey, an opera singer and voice coach of Irish American ethnicity, and Alfred Roy Carey, an aerospace engineering of Venezuela-African American descent. She was named after the song "(And They Call the Wind) Mariah", from the musical ''Paint Your Wagon''. She has no middle name. Carey has a sister named Alison and a brother named Morgan, both of whom are about ten years older than she. As a multiracial family, the Carey household was met with racial slurs, hostility and even violence. (She claimed in the early days, crosses were burned on their lawn, their dogs were poisoned, their car was blown up, and a shot was fired through the kitchen window during mealtime). Thus, the family moved around the New York area often to find more friendly Neighborhood . The strain on the family led to the divorce of Alfred and Patricia when Mariah was three; Mariah and Morgan stayed with their mother while Alison stayed with their father. Mariah had little contact with her father, except for sporadic visits on weekends but even those dwindled as the years went by; Patricia raised Mariah, often struggling with two or three jobs and continuing to move among different towns on Long Island, but tried to provide a spirited, loving household. Carey began singing when she was three; her mother realized early on that she had tremendous potential. Carey first performed in public when she was six and first began writing songs when she was in grade school. She attended and graduated from Harborfields High School in Greenlawn, New York but was frequently absent due to efforts to break into the music business . She eventually landed a role as a backup singer for Brenda K. Starr . Then in 1988, Carey met Columbia Records executive Tommy Mottola while at a party and gave him a demo tape. He played the tape while leaving the party and was very impressed by what he heard. He returned to the party to find Carey, but she had already left. Nevertheless he tracked her down and signed her to a recording contract . This Cinderella-like story became part of the standard publicity surrounding Carey's entrance into the industry. ==Early commercial success, 1990–1992== Mariah Carey's career began with the release of her Mariah Carey (album) in 1990 in music, when she was just twenty years old. She became a commercial success almost overnight, and the album produced four huge #1 hit singles: "Vision Of Love", "Love Takes Time", "Someday", and "I Don't Wanna Cry". Beginning with this first album, Carey has been a co-writer on almost every song she has recorded throughout her career, working with songwriting partners such as Ben Marguiles, Walter Afanasieff, and many others . "Vision of Love" established the template for many of her other songs: a hint of swing (genre); a melody and arrangement designed for her voice, such that her ornamented vocals seem part of the fabric of a song rather than an add-on; lyrics organized around themes of dreams, struggle, and self-help. Carey's second album, ''Emotions (album)'', was released in the fall of 1991 in music and its first single, Emotions (Mariah Carey song), was also an American #1 hit . This song gave Carey the distinction of being the only music act ever to have had their first five singles all hit the top of the Billboard Hot 100 chart in the United States . ''Emotions'' generated two other Top 5 singles, "Can't Let Go" which peaked at #2, breaking her run of five #1 singles, and "Make It Happen". Beginning with ''Emotions'', Carey has co-produced almost all of the songs on her albums, in collaboration with her songwriting and other partners. (She fought to co-produce on her first album as well, but was only allowed to produce one song.) In 1992 in music, Carey gave her first real concert performance on the ''MTV Unplugged'' program . Her whistle register workout on "Emotions" showed that her vocal abilities were not confined to the studio . She premiered a cover of the Jackson 5's "I'll Be There (Mariah Carey song)", featuring Trey Lorenz, which was subsequently released as a single and gave her a sixth #1 hit, returning her to form . The program was popular enough that the songs were compiled onto the commercially successful album ''MTV Unplugged EP'' . Her live performance of the song ''Emotions'' on the 1991 MTV Video Music Awards was one for the record books when she hit the ear-piercing note of G#7, reportedly the highest note a vocalist has been able to produce. ==Worldwide success, 1993–1996== Carey and Tommy Mottola had become romantically involved, and in June 1993 they staged a lavish wedding in Manhattan. Carey's next studio album, ''Music Box (album)'', was released in 1993 in music, and was largely comprised of ballads . Single Certifications chart-toppers “Dreamlover” and “Hero (Mariah Carey song)” became two of Carey’s Signature Song . The latter was performed by Carey at the televised ''America: A Tribute to Heroes'' benefit in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Following was the cover of the Harry Nilsson song, "Without You (Mariah Carey song)", which became her biggest international hit and her only solo #1 in the United Kingdom . The gospel-tinged ballad "Anytime You Need A Friend" was the final single and became Carey's first single to miss the top 5 in the US, peaking at #12. Carey's ''Music Box'' hits, together with her duet with Luther Vandross of Diana Ross' "Endless Love (Mariah Carey song)", made her one of the most-played musicians on the radio in 1993 and 1994 in music . During the Christmas season of 1994, Carey released the album ''Merry Christmas (album)''. In addition to the expected covers of classics, it contained a very successful original holiday song, "All I Want For Christmas Is You", which was a Top 10 hit in many international markets. In 1995 in music, Carey released ''Daydream (album)''; this album and ''Music Box'' would eventually become Carey's two best-selling albums . ''Daydream'''s lead single, "Fantasy (Mariah Carey song)", got heavy play on urban radio , thanks to a remix which marked the start of a new trend for Carey's singles: she realized that she had a higher potential for massive crossover hits if she employed the use of various genre-specific remixes for each single . "Fantasy" became the second single (and first by a female) in American chart history to debut at #1 on the Hot 100 . It was followed by "One Sweet Day", a duet with Boyz II Men, which spent a still-record 16 consecutive weeks at #1 in the United States , beating the original record of 14 and becoming her second consecutive #1 debut and double platinum single. "Always Be My Baby" next made it to #1 , receiving widespread airplay from a variety of different radio stations . Its urban remix got heavy airplay on urban, rap and R&B radio stations . "Forever (Mariah Carey song)", "Underneath The Stars", and "Open Arms", the other singles from the album, did not make #1 but were still hits in the United States and worldwide . Between October 1, 1995 and October 1, 1996 Mariah Carey was perched at the top of the Billboard Hot 100 for one half of the year (26 weeks out of 52) with the singles from ''Daydream'' . ''Daydream'' also gave her the biggest sales week ever of her career, with 750,000 copies of the album sold in one week of December of 1995 (two months after it debuted) , a record sales week for a female artist up to that point . While Carey's music was hugely popular, it also had its detractors as well. Some thought that her compositions were too homogeneously commercial ; others thought that her lyrics were too full of repetitive, simplistic imagery (a line of criticism that would be further debated with her next few albums) ; still others thought her voice was beginning to wear down (also an observation that would intensify in the coming decade). ==Independence and new image established, 1997–2000== Carey and Mottola separated in 1997; their divorce became final the following year. Carey's 1997 album, ''Butterfly (album)'', was her second consecutive #1 debut and saw her continuing to move in an R&B/hip-hop direction. Its butterfly motif related to Carey's feelings about escaping what she saw as the controlled, cocoon-like environment of her marriage. The first single, "Honey (Mariah Carey song)", became her third #1 debut in the United States and featured a popular remix; its video displayed a much more sexual and sultry Carey than before. The autobiographical "Butterfly (Mariah Carey song)" was widely praised and “My All” became her thirteenth #1 single, an unprecedented feat for a female artist, breaking Diana Ross and the Supremes record of twelve #1 songs back in the 1960s. Two other singles were released from the album – “The Roof (Back In Time)” and “Breakdown (Mariah Carey song)” – neither made much of an impact. In 1998, Carey released the album ''Number 1's (Mariah Carey album)'', a collection of all her American #1 singles up to that point. It included four new songs, the most successful internationally being "When You Believe", a duet with alleged rival Whitney Houston on the soundtrack to the film ''The Prince of Egypt'' and the most successful at home being "I Still Believe" a cover of the 1980s song by Brenda K. Starr. Also in that year, Carey appeared on the first televised ''VH1 Divas'' program, a joint benefit concert appearance with Aretha Franklin, Céline Dion, Gloria Estefan.Carole King and Shania Twain. Carey's statuesque appearance, commanding vocal and stage presence, career twists and turns, and alleged prima donna behavior had already led many to consider her to be a diva. In 1999, Carey released ''Rainbow (album)'', which like ''Butterfly'', comprised of pop and more hip-hop oriented songs. Lead single "Heartbreaker (Mariah Carey song)" became yet another hit for her and platinum sales made it Carey’s fourteenth #1 single on the Hot 100. Airplay stats were solid, having been achieved through garnering relatively small amounts of airplay from a combination of different formats. The song was accompanied by a popular music video which cost over $2.5 million. The second single from ''Rainbow'', "Thank God I Found You", became Carey's fifteenth #1 single on the Hot 100. The song was a duet with Joe Thomas and featured 98 Degrees singing background vocals on the chorus. Like "Heartbreaker", its airplay was not impressive; however solid sales assured it to be a hit. Her duet with Westlife, “Against All Odds (Take A Look At Me Now)”, topped the charts in the UK. After having 26 consecutive songs in the Top 20 since her debut 10 years earlier, two singles from ''Rainbow'' were released as a double A-side "Crybaby" and "Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme)”; neither song really took off with an audience. Even with a commercial single release, "Crybaby" only managed to peak at #28, Carey's lowest-performing single up to that point. Carey blamed this on lack of support from Sony Music Entertainment (corporate parent of Columbia Records) and has suggested that Sony did not allow other potential singles on the album to flourish, particularly "How Much", her duet with Usher Raymond. As the millennium drew to a close, despite some warning signs Carey still appeared to be on a high, having just celebrated her 15th #1 single. She was the recipient of several awards in recognition for her decade-spanning career, including Billboard Music Awards and the World Music Award for the Best-Selling Female Artist of the Millennium. ==Personal and career struggles, 2001–2003== Carey had ended a very successful decade in music, however, things took a sudden downward turn for her. Her one victory was in finally ending her contract with Sony after which she signed a huge contract with EMI's Virgin Records. Both parties appeared to be enthusiastic about the deal and Carey received a hefty signing bonus. Just a few months later, in August, 2001 it was widely reported that Carey had suffered physical and mental exhaustion. She had left voicemail messages to her fans complaining of being overworked; her many years of concurrent singing, writing, producing, and now acting seemed to have finally taken their toll. Many speculated that the messages on her website were suicidal. (Mariah has subsequently denied this.) Carey also made a notorious appearance on TRL, where she was scantily clad and acting strangely. After that, she checked into a mental health facility and announced that she was taking a break from performing. Her acting debut, in the semi-autobiographical film ''Glitter (movie)'', was scheduled for later that month; the film was finally released on September 21, but panned by most movie critics and became a box office failure. When EMI's Virgin Records released her tenth album, ''Glitter (Mariah Carey album)''. Carey was unable to do much promotion due to her ill health and the album, having been released on a dark day in American history, September 11, 2001, peaked at #7 (Carey's weakest showing ever). Lead single "Loverboy (Mariah Carey song)" reached #2 on the Hot 100 thanks to Virgin's massive campaign to sell the single for only 99 cents across the United States, however, airplay was almost nonexistent. Shortly after the disastrous release of ''Glitter'', Sony released a semi-authorized second compilation album, the 2-CD ''Greatest Hits (Mariah Carey album)'', just before Christmas. Although the album initially failed to make an impact on the charts, it would eventually hold strong, steady sales as Carey's definitive singles collection. In January of 2002, EMI decided to part ways with Carey and they bought out her contract for $28 million, giving her another round of bad publicity. Despite this, there were several record companies vying for her signature in the months that followed and she eventually signed with Island Records' Def Jam in 2002. Meanwhile, Carey's three-year relationship with singer Luis Miguel was coming to an end. Before that, she had briefly dated baseball star Derek Jeter. Carey has stated in interviews that despite her more overtly sexual image, she is very reticent to enter an intimate relationship. In part, this may be in reaction to her sister, Alison, who is undoubtedly the Black Sheep of the Carey family. Alison was a drug addict for years, had been diagnosed with HIV and promised to write a tell-all book about how she worked as a prostitute to support Mariah in the early years of her career. Carey's family denied this, and in fact it was Mariah who took care of Alison's children when Alison lost Child custody of them. To further add to Mariah's emotional burdens, her father Alfred Roy Carey died of cancer in 2002. Carey had a prominent acting role in the independent film ''Wisegirls'' (2002); this time, she received much better reviews from critics. Mariah then released a new album and her first concept album, ''Charmbracelet'', in December 2002 as part of a new deal with Island Records; it debuted at #3. She expressed an interest in writing music that is more profoundly meaningful to her and her fans. The album included the singles "Through The Rain", "Boy (I Need You)" featuring rapping Cam'ron and a cover of Def Leppard's 1980s hit "Bringin' On The Heartbreak". Carey's devoted fan base—who sometimes go by the name "lambs"—continued to buy her singles in the thousands, but none of the singles took off with pop radio, whose playlists had become less open to maturing pop "diva" stylists such as Carey, Whitney, and Céline. [http://www.usatoday.com/life/dcovfri.htm] After a decade of one Carey hit after another, many observers came to the conclusion that Carey had lost her "radio magic." Subsequently, Carey's duet with Busta Rhymes, "I Know What You Want" (2003), fared considerably better, reaching #3 in Billboard magazine's pop singles chart; it is featured on her 13th album, ''The Remixes'', a double CD. That year, Carey was awarded "Diamond Award" by the World Music Awards show in honour of over 150 million album sales worldwide. [http://www.worldmusicawards.com/diamondaward.html] During 2003, Carey staged the "Charmbracelet World Tour". Reviews were generally favourable, although the press often focused on Carey's large travelling entourage, many pieces of luggage, hotel and dressing room demands, and other diva-like behaviours. [http://www.abstracts.net/mariah-carey/2003-10.html] ==Return of the Voice, 2004–present== Carey spent the majority of 2004 making her second concept album, ''The Emancipation of Mimi''. In the fall, she was featured on Jadakiss's hit single "U Make Me Wanna", which managed to hit the Top 10 on Billboard's R&B chart. In November, the new song "Say Something", which featured rappers Snoop Dogg and Pharrell Williams, leaked onto the Internet but was met with a lukewarm response. Another Neptunes production, "To the Floor" (formerly titled "Tonight"), which featured rapper Nelly, also leaked onto the Internet. On New Year's Eve, Carey premiered a Jermaine Dupri production at the grand opening of the Pure (nightclub) in Las Vegas, Nevada. The song "It's Like That (Mariah Carey song)" received a positive response and within weeks, it zoomed into the Top 20, peaking at #16. Media sources hailed the song as a triumphant return for Carey. Billboard wrote, "After years of underwhelming singles, Mariah Carey finally returns with a hot track..." and put it on their list of the week's essentials. The decade-old "All I Want for Christmas Is You" also gave Carey a significant radio presence toward the end of the year among the many radio stations playing all-holiday music formats; a cover of it had been featured in the British film ''Love Actually'', released the previous year. As of April 2005, Mariah Carey had earned an estimated fortune of $427 million from her record sales, world tours, and recording advances. ''The Emancipation of Mimi'' was heralded as "The Return of the Voice"—leading many to proclaim it to be her comeback album after the relatively underwhelming critical and commercial receptions to ''Glitter'' and ''Charmbracelet''. It was released on April 12, 2005, and is the story of self-discovery and remaking one's image. It received generally positive reviews, with some critics calling it Carey's best album in years. ''Mimi'' debuted at #1, with 403,775 copies sold in its first week (the highest first week tally of Carey's career) and has gone on to achieve double-platinum status. ''Mimi'' has spent nine weeks in the top 5 so far, incuding two nonconsecutive weeks at #1. The second single from the album, "We Belong Together", features an interesting blend of Quiet Storm ambience and hip hop-style singing leading to a traditional Carey climax; it has been very successful and has become Mariah's 16th #1 single on the Billboard Hot 100, her first since 2000's "Thank God I Found You". According to USA Today's airplay chart, "We Belong Together" was the first song in the three-year history of the chart to have an audience of 200 million people in a single week. ==Voice== Mariah Carey is well known for her multi-octave voice. She has a very powerful control of her whistle register and it is this rare talent that has enabled her vocal range to virtually double that of the average singer.It was rumored that she was included in the Guinness Book of Records for having hit the highest note in music history however, those rumours have not been substantiated. Carey has been classified as a 'Full Dramatic Coloratura'. This means that her voice is rangy enough to access more than one registers with equal power and ease; she can sing contralto very comfortably, as well as mezzo-soprano and soprano, and she can execute vocal acrobatics and melismas ( she has even been accused of oversinging). Carey's voice is rated as one of the greatest ever among pop singers [http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_vocalists-fe-pop.html]. In 2003 she was voted as having The greatest voice in Music on MTV's "22 Greatest Voices in Music" countdown ahead of such rivals as Pop Divas Whitney Houston; #3 and Céline Dion; #9. === Vocal Profile === * Vocal timbre: Full Dramatic Coloratura Soprano * Highest notes: G#7 (Live performance of "Emotions" at the 1991 MTV VMA's), F7 (In the song "All In Your Mind") * Lowest notes: A2, B2 (In the song "My All") * Vocal range: 5 octaves (A2-G#7) * Longest note: 20 seconds (In the song "Lead The Way".) Click on the following link to get further information on Carey's vocal capabalities and to hear her singing high notes: *[http://www.freehostz.com/notes_and_octaves/mariahcarey.html source] ==Career records and achievements== The singles marks here are based on Billboard Hot 100 chart. U.S. record sales figures are certified by RIAA and may be considered reliable. However, no process exists to certify worldwide record sales. ===Sales=== MTV_Movie_Awards_2005.">Image:MTV_movie.jpg|225 px|right|thumb|Carey at the MTV Movie Awards 2005. * Mariah Carey has sold 62 mil. albums in US and 184 mil. albums worldwide. She also sold 20 mil. singles in US and 47 mil. singles worldwide; (according to Mariah Carey Discography). This makes her one of the biggest-selling female artists of all time. * Mariah Carey is the third album biggest-selling female artist in the United States (behind Barbra Streisand, 67 million albums) and Madonna (entertainer), (63 million albums). She is the fastest selling, and has sold the most copies over the fewest albums in the least amount of time. *Mariah Carey is the fastest selling artist of all time selling an average of 12.3 million albums a year since her 1990 debut. *Mariah is the only artist to have 2 consecutive singles sell over 2 million in the US, "Fantasy", and "One Sweet Day". *Mariah has the most platinum singles in the US by a female artist (10 platinum singles). *Mariah is the only female artist to have 9 consecutive albums RIAA- certified for at least 3 million copies sold. *In the US, Mariah Carey, Madonna, Britney Spears, Céline Dion, Whitney Houston, Shania Twain, and the Dixie Chicks are the only female artists with multiple Diamond (shipped over 10 million copies) albums. *With only 15 years in the music industry Mariah has the following RIAA achievements: albums - 76 certifications, singles - 34 certications (as of April 2005); total: 110 certifications. *RIAA Certifications: albums - 14 gold, 14 platinum, 10 multi-platinum, 2 Diamond Awards; singles - 24 gold, 10 platinum, 2 multi-platinum. ===Charts=== * Mariah is the artist with the record for most consecutive years with a #1 single on "Billboard Hot 100" ; she is the only artist to have a single reach #1 on "Billboard Hot 100" for every year of the 1990s. *Mariah is the only artist to have every debut single from each album top the charts in the 90s. (Her run was broken in 2001 when Loverboy, lead single from ''Glitter (album)'', peaked at #2). *When the single "One Sweet Day" spent 16 weeks on the Billboard charts in the #1 position, it became the longest running consecutive #1 single in history, taking the title held by Whitney Houston's "I Will Always Love You", which managed 14 weeks. *Mariah Carey's "We Belong Together" officialy became the biggest song ever in the history of American radio when it reahced 192.3 million listeners and over 23,000 spins in the week ending June 7, 2005. The following week, the single broke its own record and peaked at 195.8 million listeners. *Mariah Carey's "We Belong Together" has recorded the best-ever one day listener figure after it registered with 31.2 million listeners on American radio in a single day. *Mariah is the female artist with the most cumulative weeks having a #1 single on "Billboard Hot 100" in history (65 weeks). She is second overall to Elvis Presley (80 weeks). *Mariah Carey has seen 16 singles reach #1 on the US chart; the most for any female artist in history and third overall (behind The Beatles (20) and Elvis Presley) (18). She also has three #2 singles. *When "Fantasy (Mariah Carey song)","One Sweet Day" and "Honey (Mariah Carey song)" debuted at #1 on the singles chart, Mariah became the artist with the most singles to debut at Number 1 in chart history. No other artist has achieved more than one #1 debut. *Of the 12 songs ever to debut at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, 3 of them were sung by Mariah Carey. *Mariah is also the only artist to have two consecutive #1 debuts on the US singles chart ("Fantasy" and "One Sweet Day"). *Mariah is the first female artist to have a single debut at #1 with "Fantasy". *Mariah has the record for the best debut on the Billboard hot 100 chart. Her first five singles went to #1 ("Vision Of Love","Love Takes Time","Someday","I Don't Wanna Cry" and "Emotions (Mariah Carey song)"). She later achieved another five consecutive #1 singles ("Fantasy","One Sweet Day","Always Be My Baby", "Honey", and "My All"). She is the only female artist to accomplish this feat. *Mariah Carey has 5 #1 albums on The Billboard 200 (3 debuts at #1) tied with Madonna (entertainer) (5 #1s), Janet Jackson (5 #1s), and behind Barbra Streisand (8 #1 albums). *"One Sweet Day" is rated as the #1 song of the 90s By Billboard Magazine ([http://www.rockonthenet.com/archive/top100_1990s.htm link]) ===Awards=== *In 1999, Mariah was awarded the Billboard award for "Artist of the Decade", crowning her as the biggest-selling artist of the 1990s. *Mariah received the "Legend World Music Award" in 1998 for her multimillion record sales. *Mariah is one of 3 artists (and the only female) to receive the American Music award for Special Achievement (the other two awardees are Michael Jackson and Prince). *Mariah is the first female to ever win the Diamond Award from The World Music Awards show. *The World Music Awards show also awarded Mariah the "Female Artist of the Millennium" award, declaring her as the world's biggest selling female artist of the millennium. *Mariah Carey has the most awards from "World Music Awards" show for a any female (12 awards). ===Miscellaneous=== *The music video for Heartbreaker cost over $3 million making it the most expensive female video in history (it is third overall to "Thriller (song)" and "Scream (song)", both by Michael Jackson). ==Trivia== [[Image:Mariahwhitney.JPG|frame|left|Carey recording "When You Believe" with Whitney Houston.]] *Mariah is philanthropist who has donated millions of dollars to organizations such as The Make-A-Wish Foundation, the National Adoption Center, and the Fresh Air Fund among many others. *Mariah is the founder of Camp Mariah, a serene escape located in Fishkill, New York for inner-city youth to embrace the arts, be introduced to career opportunities, and build self-esteem. *Mariah's self-titled debut album debuted on the Billboard 200 Album chart in June 1990 at #80. It reached #1 in March 1991 where it stayed for 11 weeks. *Mariah has recorded three of her songs in Spanish language: "Hero" ("Heroe"), "Open Arms" ("El Amor Que Sone"), and "My All" ("Mi Todo"). *Mariah's first public singing appearance was in 1976, when she was only 6 years old. *At the start of her career, Mariah suffered from stage fright. *Mariah is tall: 5 foot, 9 inches by most reports. *Mariah's performance trademark is making fluttering motions with her left hand while she sings. Voice teachers have commented that this actually helps one's singing technique. *At the 1996 Grammy Awards, Mariah was nominated for 6 awards. She did not win any awards that year and that marked the last time she made an appearance at the show. She has been nominated over 20 times but has only won twice in 1991. *Mariah's religion is Episcopal. *Mariah directed her first video, "Fantasy (Mariah Carey song)", in 1995. *Mariah advertised lipstick in Japan. *Mariah used to believe that the right side of her face looked better because of a mole on her left side. She has outgrown that now. *Mariah's favorite singers are Aretha Franklin and Stevie Wonder. *Mariah has stated that she dislikes her #1 single "I Don't Wanna Cry" and tries to sing it as rarely as possible. She feels that the song "doesn't have a message" or anything to say. *Mariah bought Marilyn Monroe's white lacquered baby grand piano at auction in October 1999 for $600,000 plus commission. *Mariah attended Oldfield Middle School and Harborfields High School where she was given the nickname "Mirage" because she rarely showed up for class. *Mariah was named one of People (magazine)'s '25 Most Intriguing People of 2001'. *Mariah owns a three-floor apartment in Manhattan, New York City that was featured on MTV Cribs. *Mariah will be launching a clothing and accessories lines and plans to pen a series of children's books soon. ==Awards== ''For a list of awards see: List of Mariah Carey Awards'' ==Discography== ''For a detailed discography see: Mariah Carey discography'' [http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-c/mariahcarey_main.htm More Discography] ==Filmography== Glitter_(movie)''.">Image:Mariahcareyfilm_glitter.jpg|frame|right|Carey in a scene from 2001's ''Glitter (movie)''. *''The Bachelor (movie)'' (1999 in film) as Ilana, an opera singer and one of the ex-girlfriends of Jimmie (Chris O'Donnell), who is proposed to by him as he tries to find a woman to marry so he can inherit his father's fortune. *''Glitter (movie)'' (2001 in film) as Billie Frank, a struggling singer and songwriter who breaks into the music industry after she meets disc jockey Julian Dice (Max Beesley). *''Wisegirls'' (2002 in film) as Raychel, a tough-talking waitress at an Italian restaurant run by mobsters. *''Death of a Dynasty'' (2003 in film) as Herself. *''State Property 2'' (2005 in film) as Professionally Dressed Woman. *''The Sweet Science'' (2006 in film, development hell) as an unknown but talented boxing who is recruited by a determined female boxing manager. ==See also== *Biggest-selling female musician *Best selling music artists - World's top-selling music artists chart. ==References== # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # [http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-c/mariahcarey_main.htm Mariah Carey]. ''Rock On The Net''. Retrieved June 21, 2005. # Ibid. # Ibid. # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # [http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-c/mariahcarey_main.htm Mariah Carey]. ''Rock On The Net''. Retrieved June 21, 2005. # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # [http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-c/mariahcarey_main.htm Mariah Carey]. ''Rock On The Net''. Retrieved June 21, 2005. # ''fill in!'' # [http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-c/mariahcarey_main.htm Mariah Carey]. ''Rock On The Net''. Retrieved June 21, 2005. # Ibid. # ''fill in!'' # [http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-c/mariahcarey_main.htm Mariah Carey]. ''Rock On The Net''. Retrieved June 21, 2005. # ''fill in!'' # [http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-c/mariahcarey_main.htm Mariah Carey]. ''Rock On The Net''. Retrieved June 22, 2005. # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # [http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-c/mariahcarey_main.htm Mariah Carey]. 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Retrieved June 22, 2005. # Ibid. # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' # ''fill in!'' ==External links== * [http://www.mariahcarey.com/ MariahCarey.com] - Official site * [http://dmoz.org/Arts/Music/Bands_and_Artists/C/Carey,_Mariah/ Dmoz.Org] - Various Mariah Carey's sites. * [http://www.celebritypro.com/news/mariah_carey CelebrityPro.Com] - Mariah Carey's news. * [http://www.mariahdaily.com/ Mariah Daily] - Mariah Carey fan-website. * [http://mariahcareyweb.yaia.com/lyrics.html Lyrics by album] Mariah_Carey 1970 births Female singers American pop singers American songwriters Record producers R&B musicians Whistle register singers
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==POV problems and factual inaccuracies== ''The discussions in this section concern issues with the article's POV (see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view) and factual accuracy (see Wikipedia:Verifiability). Please put other questions or comments about the article's content in new sections at the bottom of the page.'' ===User:Antifamilymang questions vocal range claims=== I'm new at this, so feel free to ignore me if I'm being presumptuous. The mention at the top of the article of the extent of Carey's vocal range seems unsubstantiated and unbelievable. I say this for the following reasons. First, while publicity material and various entertainment outlets have claimed a variety of impressive ranges for her, they tend to be inconsistent, ranging from 5 to 7 octaves. Given that the "default" range for an opera singer can be taken to be 2 - 2.5 octaves, any of those numbers would be utterly extraordinary, indeed perhaps unique in the known history of vocal music. Further, claims of impressively wide ranges are routine for female pop singers - witness the statement, easily discovered by a Google search, that Aretha Franklin has a four octave range, something she has never exhibited on recordings. In any case, since the claims tend to be both amazing and inconsistent, they should be viewed with suspicion. Further evidence comes from her music. When I was younger I was a fan of hers, and I've read the published sheet music for all her albums. The highest note called for is the C above soprano high C (in "Emotions") and the lowest is the bottom G (below middle C). Though especially impressive on top, this is far short of five octaves. Given her partiality to the extremes of pitch, it seems exceedingly unlikely that she would have left an octave or more of her range unexplored by now. Given this evidence, I modified the article slightly. I was reticent to do so myself without giving my reasons. Thanks. User:Antifamilymang 06:42, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC) ===User:David Gerard complains about POV in article=== Grossly POV. Reads like a press release. - User:David Gerard 00:14, Jan 15, 2004 (UTC) ===User:Alensha asks why Glitter (Mariah Carey album) is considered unsuccessful=== "her commercially unsuccessful album "Glitter" -- unsuccessful, compared to what? 3,5 million copies of Glitter were sold. Anastacia sold about 3 million of each of her albums. Alicia's, Christina's and Britney's recent albums are around 3 million too. Even the overexposed Beyonce sold only about 4 million. You can't say all artists are commercially unsuccessful just because in the age of p2p softwares it's impossible to sell as much as in the early 90s. User:Alensha 22:11, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC) ===User:Alai thinks article still reads like "promo-flak"=== Could do with being rewritten from top to bottom. For starters, I've removed the "seven octaves" range the article seems to feel is the upper end of "accurate", which there's no basis cited for. I also have my doubts whether anyone claiming "8 full octaves" is of encyclopedic notability, even as wild speculation. Source? (If anyone actually did say this, it might be cruel and unusual to quote that as saying so.) That's greater than the range of a ''piano'', or of any ''two'' people one cares to name. User:Alai 06:15, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC) ===jls rewrites article and replies to User:Alai=== I've tried doing some rewriting, especially of the intro and early life sections and spots here and there in the main sections. Surprisingly some of the key details of her career had been left out, such as her songwriting, her discovery by Mottola story, her role in ''Wisegirls''. The article still suffers from too much detail in the main sections; it's easy to lose the forest for the trees. And the awards section is also too long and hard to read, and may be a copyright violation of some web site as well? Can't tell for sure. -- jls 1 April 2005 ===User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak points out inaccuracies in chart positions=== There are two inaccuaricies with chart positions. Mariah had 15 #1s on the Hot 100 from 1990 - 2000. They were 1) Vision Of Love 2) Love Takes Time 3) Someday 4) I Don't Wanna Cry 5) Emotions 6) I'll Be There 7) Dreamlover 8) Hero 9) Fantasy 10) One Sweet Day 11) Always Be My Baby 12) Honey 13) My All 14) Heartbreaker 15) Thank God I Found You Why is "Whenever You Call" listed as a #1 US single? Also, "Forever" in the Hit Singles section is listed as #9 (airplay). In the biography section, it says it made the Top 10, but makes it sound like it made the Top 10 of the Hot 100. Did it make #9 on the Top 100 Airplay Chart or on the Hot 100? A correction will either need to be made in the Hit Singles listing or a justification will need to be made in the biography. User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak 18:53, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC) ===M complains of continuing POV problems with article=== Carey has many fans, but this article suffers from far too much idolatry. Contributions are fawning and over-the-top, like a press release from Mariah's own agent. The article needs monitoring to keep things encyclopedic and to avoid POV inanities. I respect Carey's considerable talents, but her fans here are her worst enemies. --M. ===User:DropDeadGorgias tells M to Wikipedia:Be bold=== Then your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to Wikipedia:Be bold. Feel free to tone down the POV wherever you see it to be effusive or plagued by boosterism. After reading through the article I tend to agree that the article glosses over her more questionable activities (i.e. her casting couch relationship with Tommy Motola), and the cancellation of EMI contract, and the complete media debacle that was Glitter. --User:DropDeadGorgias User_talk:DropDeadGorgias 16:58, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC) ===jls comments on the Carey-Mottola professional relationship=== I'm not sure the relationship with Mottola was a casting couch one. That term often implies someone needed help to land a position or role or deal that they wouldn't have obtained or been qualified for otherwise. Mariah however was obviously a super-talent and didn't need such help; Mottola had already decided he was interested in signing her based on the demo tape before he ever saw her in person. Rather, I have the impression that Mottola served more of a Svengali role in guiding her career, public persona, videos, etc. Similar examples are Sonny Bono with Cher and Mutt Lange with Shania Twain. Carey has said he was very controlling in the marriage and that probably spilled over into the singer-record exec relationship as well. --jls 19 Apr 2005 ===An anonymous user thinks efforts to reduce idolatry would be "futile"=== Your mission, should you choose to accept it, would be futile. One look at the History shows there's an unlimited supply of people willing to put back in the idolatry even if you take it out. Unless you're willing to buy into an edit war without end, give up now. ===M agrees with anonymous user=== True. After fixing grammar and overwrought prose, I see that Carey's fans keep coming back with more illiterate contributions. Carey graduated from high school, but some of her fans did not. --M. ===User:DropDeadGorgias comments on "gushy" section title=== :"Mariah Carey Conquers the Globe"? Yeah... I guess I see that POV thing you were talking about. I changed that section header to be a little less gushy. --User:DropDeadGorgias User_talk:DropDeadGorgias 16:54, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC) ===M is impressed by User:DropDeadGorgias's changes=== Thanks, DDG. I like your changes. As you can see, I wasn't exaggerating. You should have read the article just 10 days ago—it was like something from ''Entertainment Tonight''. Very lowbrow. --M. ===jls comments on album sales for Carey and other female artists=== Take a look at [http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21443&start=0] from last year and keep scrolling. Apparently some people spend their lives trying to add up 30 countries' worth of possibly accurate album sales info, to see if Mariah or Whitney or Celine or Madonna or god knows whom is the overall leader in female artist album sales. These must be the same people who then edit WP articles back and forth with whatever figures match their agendas. Get a life! Who cares who has the most sales!?!? These women are each tremendously successful and have each sold a mountain of records. Isn't that enough? Even if you could figure out who's top right now, it would change over time as new albums come out and as back catalog sales rates change. --jls 22 Apr 2005 ===An anonymous user insists the article is correct=== *she said she has sold 155 million albums, it is the figuere use on the news the radio, her website, and everyywhere she is introduced.... gt over it...stop trying to find something wrongt with mariah and go live a life....some people.. the article is correct, and you all need to stop crying over her achievement amd realized that she worked hard and has done something with her life... stop arguing with the truth.. her range is 5 ovtave, she IS the third most selling female artist of the world, and she IS the best-selling... celine sold about what she did with more than twice the amount os albums... ===An anonymous user questions Carey's claim that car was blown up=== I added "She CLAIMED" cars blown up in her early life section: No police report, neighbors say it never happened. Cars blowing up is something that get noticed. Suffolk COunty NY where she grew up is a very LIBERAL county run by the Democratic Party. ===Another anonymous user comments on Suffolk County=== Great, the one thing this article was missing was political diatribes! Actually, Suffolk County was long a GOP bastion (read Suffolk County, New York#Law and government; the shift to the Dems has been recent, from the 1990s on, well after the period in question). That said, confirmation that these racist actions took place would be good to have. 9 May 2005 ===The first anonymous user says Carey's childhood stories are made up=== Suffolk County was and is liberal. It is the bastion of liberal Republicans. When she was a kid, the Republican County Execuctive was GAY, that openly walked around with his boyfriend. Later when she was a teen the County Exectutive was a democrat. The first gay resort community ,Cherry Grove, is in Suffolk. Here is something that I got from a former classmate: "That is so far beyond the truth it's not funny. She wasn't being bullied she was DOING the bullying and I was one of her victims. I graduated with her from Harborfields High School in Greenlawn, New York in 1987. Yes her father was a prominent black lawyer and her mother was an opera singer. She was the nastiest person in the school and I didn't like her than and I'm not very fond of her now. We had our 10 year high school reunion and she never showed up." All her schools had students of many races. SHe said "Cars" getting blown up. There is no police reports about these. Wouldn't the family try to get insurance? A police report would be required by the insurance company. In other words, her childhood stories are BS and made up. ===User:RickK thinks POV language needs toning down=== The POV language really needs to be toned down. All of the unsupported range comments and the "amazing voice" stuff needs to be cleaned up. User:RickKUser talk:RickK 23:41, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC) ===User:Wasted Time R says Carey idolators will revert any changes=== Well, yes, it does. Go ahead, do it yourself, then see how long it takes for it to get put back in. The Mariah idolaters out there are greater in number and more fervent in purpose than the NPOV encyclopaedists. This is one case where the WP model breaks down. User:Wasted Time R 01:45, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===An anonymous user tries to explain vocal range=== People, there is nothing wrong with this article. It is impossible for people to be objective and unbiased when writing an article like this. *Firstly, about her vocal range: *Mariah has over 4.5 octave range. If you click on the link at her vocal profile, you get proof. She has hit the E7 in her song 'Emotions' and the G#7 on stage, believe me; i play the piano. Secondly, if you listen to the end of "My all", you would see that definitely is a B2 and according to rumors, she has gone a note lower on stage (A2); it is plausable from listening to the deep pitch at which she speaks. In addition, in all fairness, that vocal range is quite possibly the largest of any pop artist. The reason many opera singers have a 2.5 range is that they might sing high but the do not go very deep. Mariah sings freakishly high and then deep into the baritone range; before your challenge my credibility' listen to "My all" paying close attention to the last held note. *Secondly, her album sales are quite fine. they are not embellished; they are just estimates since no worldwide tracking exists. *LEAVE THE ARTICLE ALONE* *EVERYONE'S ARTICLE IS OPIONATED AND BIASED IN SOME WAY AND WE ARE NOT ACTING OR QUESTIONNING IT ARE WE? ===User:FuriousFreddy suggests a Wikipedia:Requests for comment=== Um...I think this my be going overboard just a tad. We might need to file a RfC on this...it's getting rather out of hand. --User:FuriousFreddy 16:40, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:Extraordinary Machine restores Wikipedia:NPOV dispute/Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute dispute notice=== Without making any effort to clear up this POV-laden and citation-less article, I see User:70.25.131.237 has chosen to remove the neutrality and factual accuracy dispute notice. I have since restored it. That notice actually made it clear to both readers and contributors that there is a problem that needs to be addressed, and who knows, there might be somebody out there reading who can provide sources for the statements and facts presented in the article. To everybody else, please don't remove it again until the article is well on its way to becoming Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Verifiability. Thank you. User:Extraordinary Machine 20:32, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===70.25.131.237 insists there is nothing wrong=== I've ventured on this site numerous times and Ive always seen signs posted at Carey's section of the encyclopedia about its neutrality etc and Ive always asked myself, "Why is this?". People, there is nothing wrong with the article. Nothing is biased, there are good and bad points. Just because someone has an illustrious career, that does not mean that one is biased to write about it. Carey vocal range is verified to be true. Her biography is correct so i dont know what the problem is. You people are making a mountain out of a mole hill. It is not possible for an article to be fully objective, thats why it is called an 'article'. Leave the article alone. Madonna's article needs editing and so does many other singers but you do not focus on that do you? Has anyone provided a source for Madonna's discography? This encyclopedia keeps claiming that "According to Warner Bross, Madonna has sold 250 million records..." and Ive been on Warner Bros' official site numerous times and I still cant find that official statement. Did anyone provide a link? No Does anyone ask for a link to be provided? No they do not because everyone are too busy making a fuss about Mariah Carey. These are things i keep talking about. If someone says "A" about Mariah, all of you want to know why was the "A" said and if there is a source provided to prove that the "A" is true. You will even put up "Neutrality and factuality" sign. On the other hand, if someone says "B" about any other singers everyone accepts it as true without giving it a second thought. LEAVE THE ARTICLE ALONE. DONT BLAME MARIAH FOR HER LUCRATIVE CAREER and dont blame people for writing about it!!! *Is this what you want?: *"Mariah was a skank who grew up on the streets of Huntington, New York. Whoring her way through highschool, she was able to pass courses by sleeping with the teachers since she hardly made appearances in class. She has been hailed as a "has-been" and her vocal range is as small as Brtiney Spear's" *I bet you if this was apart of the article, then no one would have a thing to say. COME ON PEOPLE, THE ARTICLE IS WELL WRITTEN. YOU ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SEEM LIKE FOOLS WHEN YOU TAKE A WELL WRITTEN ARTICLE AND TRY TO EDIT IT. ===User:Extraordinary Machine restores notice and responds to anonymous user=== And once again, User:70.25.131.237 has removed the neutrality and factual accuracy dispute notice, all the while adding unverified statements to the article, such as ''"Carey has been classified as a 'Full Dramatic Coloratura'. This means that her voice is rangy enough to access more than one registers with equal ease. She can sing contralto very comfortably, sing over the orchestra, and execute vocal acrobatics and melismas."'' Carey's "lucrative career" isn't the issue here, it's the fact that many people (including you) have added countless figures and statements and who knows what else to the article without ever backing them up with a single reference or citation. I've restored the NPOV/factual accuracy notice again, please do not remove it until the problems pointed out on this talk page have been resolved. Thank you. User:Extraordinary Machine 23:06, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:Wasted Time R comments on state of the article and makes a proposal=== My judgement is that the intro and the history sections (up through Return of the Voice) are in reasonably good shape. I think they are factual and while a little bit fannish in tone sometimes, are still fairly neutral, pointing out Carey's failures and limitations as well as her successes. Does Extraordinary Machine concur with this, and if not, what in particular needs changing? On the other hand, I think the Voice, Career Records and Achievements, and Trivia sections and subsections are a disaster, full of fawning Carey idolatory. Ironically, the Records section actually does Carey a disservice, since it buries some truly oustanding achievements (16 #1 singles; secondmost cumulative #1 weeks) in the middle of a pile of trivia that only charts freaks could care about (one day listener figures, number of consecutive albums by a female that have sold more than 3 million, etc.). One possibility would be to move the bad sections I named into the existing List of Mariah Carey Awards article (renamed to List of Mariah Carey Awards and Achievements, or something like that). Then the idolators can fill that up to their hearts' content, while the main article stays in a reasonable shape. User:Wasted Time R 00:35, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:Extraordinary Machine restores notice and responds to User:Wasted Time R=== I have performed some work setting up inline citations so that people can start adding references. I only did this up until the Worldwide success, 1993–1996 section, for reasons I will explain below. Here are some of the POV statements (since changed to NPOV) that I weeded out: * ''"Vision of Love" established the template for her best songs: a hint of swing (genre); a melody and arrangement designed for her voice, such that her ornamented vocals seem part of the fabric of a song rather than an add-on; lyrics organized around themes of dreams, struggle, and self-help.'' (Early commercial success, 1990-1992) * ''She premiered a heartfelt cover of the Jackson 5's "I'll Be There (Mariah Carey song)", featuring Trey Lorenz, which was subsequently released as a single and gave her a sixth #1 hit, returning her to form.'' (Early commercial success, 1990-1992) * ''The latter gained an added resonance in the public mind when Carey performed it at the televised ''America: A Tribute to Heroes'' benefit in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks.'' (Worldwide success, 1993-1996) Now don't get me wrong: I am a Mariah fan (albeit a casual one), and would like to see her Wikipedia article in the best state possible. But looking at other people's comments on this talk page, I have a feeling the more devoted Mariah "lambs" will just revert any attempts to change POV in favour of Mariah to NPOV, and continue to claim that there is nothing wrong with the article as it is. I have had to restore the dispute notice four times since I first added it, while those who removed it in the first place continue to contribute to the article without providing references or toning down POV language. The number of "''fill in!''" messages I had to insert should tell anybody this article needs A LOT of work. And while I like your suggestion, I think that even if a separate article is created for the Mariah idolaters to POV to their hearts' content, there will still be words like "heartfelt" and "best" creeping in again on this one. I will try to finish the inline citations tomorrow, but after that, I'm not sure if I'll bother contributing significantly to this article any longer. User:Extraordinary Machine 21:41, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===70.25.131.237 repeats that the article is fine=== There is absolutely nothing wrong with this article. It is extremely informative and well written. The fact is that Mariah has had an extremely successful career. People seem to have a problem with this, so they are saying the article is biased. I completely agree with the post "An anonymous user insists there is nothing wrong". People only seem to have a problem when it has to do with Mariah. Why don't you fools stop getting your panties in a bunch over nothing and let the article be! ===User:Hall Monitor disagrees with 70.25.131.237=== Extraordinary Machine is right. The article could use improvement, and undoubtedly will be improved over time to address the slight POV and accuracy issues which creep in from fans and the like. User:Hall Monitor 21:53, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===Wasted Time R responds to Extraordinary Machine's three NPOV examples=== Well, I gotta admit, the three NPOV wordings you object to all originated with ''me''! (in my former incarnation), and not from any of the Mariah superfans. (I'm a moderate Mariah fan, who got sucked into this article for reasons I can no longer remember or fathom :-) I guess my NPOV definition isn't as strong as some WPians'. In particular, I think it's possible to objectively say some works of art are "better" than others. So, Dvorak's ''New World Symphony'' is better than most of his earlier symphonies, and the Beatles' "Let It Be" is better than their "Mr. Moonlight", and Mariah's "Vision of Love" is better than many of her sappier other songs. How can I prove this? I can't, lacking some comprehensive critics' survey of the artist's work, which maybe exists for Dvorak and the Beatles but doesn't for Mariah. However, objectively, you can make the case that when a song is the title song and first single off an album, that means that the artist, producer, and record company all believe it's the best song on that album too. Ditto for "Emotions" on her second album. Both of these songs have a swing and a dynamism that her other work (even ones that made #1) often lack. :Oops, "Vision of Love" isn't a title song. Similarly, I believe it's often possible to tell when an artist really means something and when they're faking it. In her Unplugged intro to "I'll Be There", she said it was always one of her favorite songs, and the way that she sang it (and the whole band arranged it, with care and taste) convinced me (and many listeners) that she meant it. Hence "heartfelt". As for "Hero"'s post-9/11 resonance, this I would also argue is objective. At least in the NYC area, it's the old song of hers that gets the most oldies airplay by far, and both it and Enrique Inglesias's unrelated "Hero" did pick up an added meaning to many listeners after 9/11. I guess the bottom line for me is that full-blown NPOV concern can often drain the life out of an article. But I realize this runs counter to WP dogma. User:Wasted Time R 01:07, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===Wasted Time R responds to Extraordinary Machine's inline citations gambit=== I realize what you're trying to get at here, but I think you went way overboard. How many WP articles on ''any'' subject, much less popular music, have this many inline references? The density of footnotes that you've established is something normally only seen in Law Review articles! A lot of what you want footnoted can be verified by looking at the albums themselves (Mariah's writing and producing credits) and at any Billboard top hits reference book (which singles made #1). That she co-writes and co-produces her material, and that she's had 16 Billboard Hot 100 #1 hits, are the kind of facts that aren't in dispute by anyone! A lot of the basic biographical material is on Mariah's website and any number of other online websites. That Mottola discovered her at a party, that they got involved, that they spent a ton of money on the wedding, that they got divorced, none of these facts are in dispute either. Better would be to focus the references on the facts that ''are'' in dispute, such as her vocal range, her record sales, what criticisms have been made of her music, what's the highest note she's ever sung (it was G#9 in 1990 in her shower! dogs came running from three counties!), and so forth. User:Wasted Time R 01:23, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) === 70.25.131.237 says "EVERYONE READ NOW" === Ive been on this Wikipedia page numerous times and Ive always seen neutrality sign on Mariah's page and ive always asked myself, Why is this? Ive read the article numerous times and I have to say nothing is wrong with it. I visited many other pages within this encyclopedia and Ive seen many BIASED article but no one cares about that. All you guys care about is editing Mariah article. The point is, Mariah has had a very successful music career and there is nothing wrong with people writing about it. There is GOOD and the Bad in this article, nothing is biased. Alot of other people's article are REALLY BIASED i.e.: Madonna, and you guys don’t care about that, all you guys care about is EDITING MARIAH'S ARTICLE CAUSE SHE IS TOO SUCCESSFUL. Let me use and example: *Does anyone try to provide a source to the official WARNER BROS statement that claims that Madonna ha sold 250 million records? Ive been on their site numerous times and have yet to see that statement. You guys need to check that out- there has been rumours that it isnt true: NOT EVEN HER OFFICIAL WEBSIT CLAIMS THIS. Now if someone said the same thing about Mariah, you guys would ask for source or put up neutrality sign and all other crap. It is impossible for some one to remain fully objective while writing an article. Nothing is wrong with documenting success. There is no idolatry; IT JUST THE TRUTH!!!!!. === Wasted Time R responds to 70.25.131.237's Madonna rant === There is a whole separate article, Biggest-selling female musician, devoted to the who-has-sold-the-most-records argument. Personally, I don't care! Mariah and Madonna are apples and oranges, pointless to compare. Technically Mariah is a much better singer, but Madonna has had a much greater cultural impact. Mariah is better at songwriting and producing, while Madonna has done more acting. Leave it be. (FWIW, the quality of the Madonna article seems pretty good to me, although I haven't looked at it closely.) 70.25.131.237, are you from Germany? English obviously isn't your first language, and I've been trying to figure out from your sentence structure and capitalization what is. User:Wasted Time R 10:26, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===70.25.131.237 responds to Wasted Time R=== *I dont recall asking you anything. *Did I ask if you cared? *BETTER YET, do i care if you care? *No, I don't Your statement about my Grammar was such a FLOP, I ALMOST FEEL SORRY FOR YOU, BUT ILL GIVE YOU A "C+" FOR EFFORT (BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME). TRYING TO insulting my Grammar gets you nowhere (yes, I might mess up while I type fast); it just makes you seem like a damn fool!!! I have other words for you too, but PETA prohibits me from being cruel to dumb animals. ===User:Extraordinary Machine responds to 70.25.131.237=== 70.25.131.237, I'd wager that most of us here are Mariah fans, that's why we want this article to be as factually accurate (i.e. verifiable and backed up by citations/references) and NPOV (in other words, no idolatry!) as possible. The Madonna (entertainer) article doesn't have anything to do with this. Why are you turning the development of a Wikipedia article on Mariah Carey into a "success" battle between her and other female singers? Oh, and insulting people instead of listening to them will not get you very far here. User:Extraordinary Machine 19:31, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:Extraordinary Machine responds to User:Wasted Time R=== I think that statements and words like "her best songs", "heartfelt" and "added resonance" can be okay, as long as they include quotes from music critics and the like (e.g. ''She premiered a cover of the Jackson 5's "I'll Be There", featuring Trey Lorenz, which was described as "heartfelt" by Some Critic. It was subsequently released as a single and gave her a sixth #1 hit, returning her to form.'') See Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Characterizing_opinions_of_people.27s_work for more information. I don't want to drain the life out of the article, just make it sound less like an essay a Mariah fan wrote for school. As for the inline citations, I am in the mindset that no Wikipedia article can "over-reference". Many otherwise great articles have been criticised for having no references, and I want to make sure that facts presented on Wikipedia can be verified as just that, facts. See my reference work on the KaDee_Strickland#References article, which I will be inserting inline citations into soon. See also Wikipedia:Cite_sources#When_there_is_no_factual_dispute. The fact that she has had sixteen #1 Billboard Hot 100 hits may be common knowledge and listed on every other Mariah site now, but what about in ten, twenty or even fifty years? People reading this article then might like to know where the information came from. User:Extraordinary Machine 19:31, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===Wasted Time R acknowledges inability to meet WP requirements=== Well, E Machine, I admire your dedication to doing these articles The Right WP Way. But it's a lot of work to do it so, and if I'm going to write an academic-quality article, then I'm better spending the time writing a couple of real-journal computer science articles I have on the back burner, not this. And the Right WP Way is also not very creative: I can't say a Mariah performance is heartfelt, even if it's clear to me that it is and no other editors object, but rather I have to find someone else who said it was heartfelt and reference them. That one other person's opinion thereby becomes more important than the collective opinion of all the WP editors. I know this is the logical outgrowth of the WP "No original research" dictum, but it doesn't seem reasonable to me. And the thing with WP is, even if you put all the research and writing and annotation work into writing a really good article, you've still got to put it on your watchlist and constantly fight against changes that will degrade the article and you have to maintain this fight indefinitely. With the more obscure subjects you've maybe got a decent chance to be able to do this, but Mariah is anything but obscure. Good luck nevertheless! User:Wasted Time R 01:47, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC) ==Other== ===User:Nrl adds Sonic Youth track mention=== I added (although I stupidly wasn't logged in at the time) a mention of the Sonic Youth track about Mariah to the page, feel free to remove it if you don't feel it is relevant --User:Nrl 16:44, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC) ===An anonymous user adds biographical tidbits=== Some useful biography tidbits that I can't organize well on my own: * Birthplace: Huntington Bay, N.Y. * Parents: Patricia Hickey and Alfred Roy Carey (father deceased) * Graduated from High School: Greenlawn, N.Y. * Siblings: One older brother, Morgan & one older sister, Alison * Odd Jobs: Waitress & Hairstylist * Year Mariah first sang in public: 1976 ===User:KelisFan2K5 enquiries about release of The Emancipation of Mimi=== The reason I put "April 12, 2005 (tentative)" is because the release date MAY change again. Hopefully Emancipation of Mimi will be released, and not get cancelled. --User:KelisFan2K5 13:14, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) ===User:Philwelch adds article to Gay icons category=== In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. User:Philwelch 20:15, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC) ===User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak proposes re-structure=== Whilst the article I believe is of good quality, I think the actual biography section lacks detail in some areas, and instead of being split into 2 sections, should be split into shorter time periods or even by album if enough relevant material can be found. I wasn't going to start doing this without thinking what other people thought. User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak 19:34, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC) ===jls requests references and suggests section layout=== :The first thing that needs to happen is for the two people doing it, to stop the silly edit wars going on about how many of each album she has sold worldwide. References are needed! I added a reference for the WMA Diamond Award -- it's for selling over 100 million albums worldwide -- she may have sold more than that, and her website says it was for 150 million, but in fact that award was for 100 million. :As for splitting the article into more sections, I wouldn't go album by album, that's too literal. It's best if each section has some thematic unity to it, as part of telling the story of Carey's career and music. The current two-section theme is the obvious breakdown, splitting at the point where her career hit a huge bump in the road, but if you have a better thematic breakdown in mind, go for it. -- jls 8 Apr 2005 ===User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak makes section title suggestions=== Agreed, yes, by album by album is rather silly. Perhaps something along the lines of this:- * Early Life & Family (1970 - 1990) * Early Commercial Success (1990 - 1992) - Chronicling the releases of her first 2 albums as they were slightly similar * Mariah Goes Unplugged (1992) - Discussing her appearance of MTV unplugged and the success it was - album released and US #1 single with cover of "I'll Be There", also discuss the TV show they made about her showing she was a real person as well as a celebrity (I can't remember the name, but it featured her friends and family) * Global Fame (1993 - 1994) - Chronicling the massive success of ''Music Box'' and also the great success of ''Merry Christmas'' for simply a Christmas album * Mega Stardom - Diva Status Established (1995 - 1998) - Chronicling the releases of ''Daydream'', ''Butterfly'', ''#1's'' (showing how a #1 album showed off her true stardom) - also showing her greater focus on image, presentation and sexuality * Slow Decline (1999 - 2001) Chronicling the release of ''Rainbow'', ''Glitter'' and ''Greatest Hits'' * Waning Popularity (2002 - 2004) Chronicling the release of ''Charmbracelet'' & ''The Remixes'', focusing on how she only made guest appearances in 2004 * Resurgence (2005 - Present) ''The Emancipation Of Mimi'' and thus forward Obviously, some of the titles don't look that great, so please tell me what you think of this structure and change any title names. I won't go ahead with this plan until Im sure someone else approves. User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak 19:05, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC) ===jls comments on section title suggestions=== Hmmm. I'd fold the Unplugged section into Early Commercial Success, since that show was still early in her career and mostly recapped the first two albums. Global Fame and Mega Stardom need different titles; maybe the break/theme should be when she and Mottola split up, is that when her image/presentation really changed direction? Also, Slow Decline and Waning Popularity sound like the same thing, need retitling. Finally, Resurgence is predicting the future, wait a while and see what happens with the new album. My guess is it won't do much better than Charmbracelet, but who knows. -- jls 11 Apr 2005 ===An anonymous user congratulates User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak on new articles=== Good work getting the awards and discography into separate articles. ===User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak says thanks=== Thank you very much. I thought it would be a good move as the article size was over 32Kb and it would prevent the endless edits trying to keep the article short. Plus the article is on her, this gives more room for detail in the biography section. User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak 17:00, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) ===An anonymous user points out that article size remains a problem=== Alas, hopes that the split-out would reduce the churn on the main article appear to have been for naught. ===User:Wasted Time R thinks article needs images=== To have only one image/photo in an article this long is unusual. User:Wasted Time R 10:54, 19 May 2005 (UTC) ===User:Wasted Time R says it now has too many=== Now I think it has too many. In particular too many CD cover images, which make the text too visually choppy. Maybe just have one image per section? User:Wasted Time R 14:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak thinks album images are a good idea=== I actually think the album thing is quite a good idea, it gives a little visual display of the main concentration of the article. User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak 16:38, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:RickK agrees there are too many images=== I agree with Wasted Time, there are now far too many images. And what's the copyright status of the pics which are not album covers? User:RickKUser talk:RickK 23:39, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC) ===An anonymous user wants to know more about Carey as a person=== Ok, I know I'm not exactly one to talk, having edited this article a lot of times to add random chart facts about Mariah's songs and albums, but I think the main problem with this article is that it has so much detail on her songs, albums and chart positions and doesn't actually tell us ENOUGH about her. After all, this is meant to be a biography about Carey and not a story chronicling her chart success as a musician. The career records and achievements section already details enough and with all her singles having their own articles and the albums' articles slowly also being expanded, there should be more on her in the article. Do you guys agree, or am I being too critical? Any proposition on where we can actually get more information on her? ===User:Wasted Time R agrees the article only presents Carey as a musician=== Yes. Right now the overall theme of the Mariah Carey articles is: ''She was put on earth to make #1 hits. Every time she got a #1 it added to her incredible success as the best selling female something-or-other ever. Every time she didn't get a #1 she and her record company plunged into despair because her career might be over.'' If this is really what her life was like, it's a wonder she didn't have a breakdown long before 2001! User:Wasted Time R 21:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC) ===User:Wasted Time R thinks record sales won't be as important in the future=== Another way of looking at this is to imagine someone is reading an article ten years from now, or fifty years from now. What would be important to get across? If you don't know much now about, say, Frank Sinatra, would you really care that "All The Way" only made #2 in 1957 and not #1? I'm not sure anyone even remembers that record nowadays, whereas Sinatra signature songs like "My Way" and "Summer Wind" and "It Was A Very Good Year" never got into the top 20. What will Mariah Carey be remembered for in the future? Probably for her voice, and the way that she wrote and produced records that naturally took advantage of that voice, even though the substance of her songs was not always that deep. Surely it will not matter in the future that some fourth single off a successful album in 1994 didn't make the top 10, or that in May 2005 she was in a charts battle with "Hollaback Girl"! User:Wasted Time R 00:31, 24 May 2005 (UTC) ===An anonymous user wants image to be inserted in Wikipedia Commons=== Please, can you insert the image "Image:Mariahcarey0405.jpg" in Wikipedia Commons? ===User:Mseames suggests sections for singles, chart positions, and videos=== I think the article is written just fine. A bit glowing, yes but, Mariah has had amazing successs. There is nothing wrong with documenting her successs. I do dispute the 7 octave range- that is humanly impossible. I think whoever said 4.5 is pushing it a bit- but it is a bit more reasonable/logical. I don't think it is humanly possible to hit a G7. I have seen that issue hotly disputed everywhere. I think there should be a "Singles" section, to further document her singles and their relevant chart positions. Also, I'm thinking of a list of her videos, including remix videos, should be incorporated into the page because she has so many of them. I believe she has more videos than any other artist. I think we should list the chart positions for other major countries as well. (UK, Australia, Canada, Japan, etc.) It would be interesting. User:Mseames ===User:Wasted Time R points out already existing article=== ''Yo!'' There's already more info on Mariah singles and videos than you could possibly imagine. See Mariah Carey discography, scroll down, and follow the singles links. User:Wasted Time R 16:34, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:Mseames instead suggests article dedicated to Carey's unreleased songs=== I almost didn't see you, right there smack in the middle. LOL. Anyway, I see what you mean. That is too much information to incorporate into the page, as I was origially thinking to do. Instead, I am now thinking of making a seperate page, similiar to the one for Madonna, Unreleased Madonna songs. Mariah has many non-album tracks and songs released overseas or added to overseas CDs that were not released to the USA. Another bamboozling project could be to list all of her remixes. There are hundreds of her remixes. And I still see no listings of all of her videos. User:Mseames ===User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak refers User:Mseames to already existing article=== See List Of Songs By Mariah Carey. User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak 08:14, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===User:Mseames says thanks=== Thanks to User:Ultimate Star Wars Freak for that link. Now, is there any links for Mariah video lists or remix lists? User:Mseames 05:09, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
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